On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM, David Goodman <[email protected]> wrote:
> There is a fundamental difference between our inefficient and > sometimes unsuccessful attempts to do things right, and their > deliberate attempts to do things wrong. > Yes, but we must not forget that PR people are not the only people who use Wikipedia to do things wrong. By operating the completely open system we do, we enable *anyone* to do wrong, be they PR or staff working for a company, or a company's detractors. The community is responsible for managing Wikipedia. And whether Wikipedia is easy or difficult to abuse is the community's responsibility. Andreas > And there is also a difference, though a smaller one, between an > individual's misguided attempt to fix what he perceives as injustice > towards themselves, and a commercial concern's deliberate attempt to > violate or evade for money what they must know are our rules . Nobody > can perceive whitewashing as proper, though they may think it > something they can get away with. > > And we also need to realize that the more we stop improper efforts, > the more people trying to make them will complain. Avoiding complaints > is not our measure of success; avoiding justified complaints is. > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Charles Matthews > <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 12 November 2012 16:30, Steve Summit <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ken Arromdee wrote: > >>> When they say that Wikipedia's proces for fixing articles is > >>> "opaque, time-consuming and cumbersome", they are *correct*. > >> > >> Well, yeah, but. Right (sorta) conclusion, wrong reason. > >> > >> It can always be improved, but I don't think our "process" for > >> fixing articles is *that* bad. And, in any case, it wasn't at > >> all so cumbersome that it kept Finsbury from whitewashing the > >> article! > > > > The real point, surely, is whether the word "needlessly" can be > > shoehorned in front of "cumbersome". > > > > Charles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > > -- > David Goodman > > DGG at the enWP > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
