as I understood it (usual disclaimers apply) the problem would be that the form would be much slower and breaking-sensitive if it would have to contact the database etc - besides being more complicated to make. I would also love it and would like to see it happen of course, but I guess it is more important to first ensure it actually works - which is also a tough job to get done in time apparently :)
Best, Lodewijk (who considers creating a wish list for next year!) 2011/7/21 Nuno Tavares <[email protected]> > Lodewijk, > > > Lodewijk escreveu: > > As I understand it (but I'm not technical, so for details and > > contradictions I refer to our tech wizards ;-) ) it would not be easy to > > let the wizard have access to the database too. However, if we can > > include the identifier only, then it would already be possible to > > afterwards go through the uploads with a bot and make all the other > > changes based on the database! (basically the same, but with a slight > delay) > > I really hope there is some kind of access to the monuments database, > otherwise everything will seem to be a bit "blind"... for instance, the > template {{IGESPAR}} at commons will accept an ID and a classification > (which is available throught the DB). > > Even if access to DB is not direct, it could be done with dynamic > (AJAX-style) queries to the toolserver (I believe) so the form would be > automatically filled anyway. This is especially relevant if someone will > upload *from* Commons and not from the monuments lists... > > But I can antecipate some difficulties, yes... I'm sure Maarten will > negotiate the best possible. > > -NT > > > > I like the idea of having links from the articles as well. At WMP we > > spent some time crossing the list with the article links and commons > > category, so we should know exactly which articles really exist (for > the > > objects on the list). This way we could run through all and put a > simple > > template just to say "Upload photos for this article and win > prizes!", > > something like that (this is obviously an exaggeration). > > > > Having the link in the table seems possible as well, at least for > those > > who compiled the lists with a template, as recommended. > > > > Great work Hubert! > > > > -- > > Nuno Tavares > > Wikimedia Portugal > > http://www.wikimedia.pt > > > > Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que > > estamos a fazer. > > > > Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt > > > > > > > > Hubert escreveu: > > > > > > Am 21.07.2011 14:49, schrieb Lodewijk: > > >> Hi Hubert, > > >> > > >> thanks a lot for the clarification. I did not mean to suggest the > > bigger > > >> picture was less important, it definitely is worth going after! It > > >> sounds great what you are all doing, I have so little to add to > > it. It > > >> is only that I wanted to be sure about a few things because it is > > >> relevant for European coordination, hence :) > > >> > > > > > > dear Lodewijk, > > > > > > for me, an european coordination is essential. but not just for > WLM, > > > even for any other picture-Contest ever happen, or happen in an > > european > > > public context. We want all pictures, which are made in such > > > competitions in future. :-) > > > > > > > > >> Uploading directly linked from the monument lists sounds like > > walhalla! > > >> > > > Look here, there is a small table (it is just a testsituation since > > > yesterday!!), where you can see three icons below "Standort": > > > > > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:AleXXw/Test/2 > > > > > > with one Click, (commons-icon) you can upload your photo (if you > > have an > > > account), If you don´t have an account, then you will first be > > prompted > > > to create one. > > > > > > All informations which belong to this property will be transfered > > with a > > > link to commons, including the spatial data, Name of the Objekt, > > adress, > > > and additionally an object ID. So, the uploading is extremely > simple. > > > Just select the foto, an send it. Thats all. We are even thinking > > about > > > to handover the short description of this objekt (if there is an > > > description). > > > > > > Because there are already a lot of articles to individual objects, > > it is > > > conceivable that even in articles to objects, we can makes a > > direct link > > > to upload pictures. Fixed with similar specifications, so that it > is > > > extremlely easy for new User to take part. > > > > > > During this process, all pictures from this property will also be > > > correctly categorized inside commons (should be), so we can > > separate it > > > easily for the contest itself. > > > > > > Later then, there will be a link inside the tables to see all/more > > > pictures of this particular object in Commons. (like: Object in > > Commons) > > > Just with one Click. Like this: > > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Palais_Pallavicini?uselang=de > > > > > > This is our plan for this Year. Next year maybe it is possible to > > > participate to WLM2012 directly from OSM, because we would like to > > > transfer all our 36.000 Objekts to OpenStreeMap. Maybe even to > > > GoogleMaps and BingMaps. > > > > > > In all cases, partipicants will come first to our lists (or > articles), > > > then to the upload-form. > > > > > > Next Year! Or the following two :-) > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Hubertl > > > > > >> Lodewijk > > >> > > >> 2011/7/21 Hubert <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Am 21.07.2011 14:00, schrieb Lodewijk: > > >> > Hi Hubert, > > >> > > > >> > thanks a lot for this report. It sounds like an exciting > > cooperation! > > >> > > > >> > However, it is not entirely clear to me how big the overlap > is > > >> with the > > >> > Wiki Loves Monuments contest - in any case I love to hear > about > > >> it, but > > >> > just to make sure we are on one line. Will the WLM contest > > in Austria > > >> > also be throughout the whole month September, also have a > jury > > >> > delivering nominations before November 1, and awarding > > prizes on > > >> > national level? > > >> > > >> Hi Lodewijk, > > >> > > >> WLM is the central point of all our efforts in Austria for > > the next > > >> months, it has its own website (as in Germany and in other > > countries) > > >> WLM is supported throughout by all Wikipedians in Austria. > > >> > > >> The last point, jury and prize award is much more the work and > > >> responsibility of Wikimedia Austria. For most Wikipedians in > > Austria, > > >> this everything around will have no significance. > > >> > > >> > > >> We will go so far that uploading photos for WLM can also be > > performed > > >> directly from the the monument lists, directly from the > > >> object, which allows automatically the assigning of every > > photo with the > > >> individual objekt-ID. During september (and before), all > > efforts go > > >> directly into the Wiki loves monuments projekt. But, we are > > looking > > >> further. > > >> > > >> The monument lists are completed right now in Austria to 98%. > > We will > > >> finish all Lists until the end of August, so that we can use > > it as one > > >> starting point for WlM. And not the lists only, even the > related > > >> Community-articles and related Articles. > > >> > > >> These additional agreements with the Federal Heritage Office > > also serve > > >> Wikipedia and Commons as an important tool to become part of > the > > >> Austrian education system. > > >> > > >> For me personally, WLM is just one part of a much bigger > > idea. But very > > >> impressive in its very special momentum. > > >> > > >> Hubertl > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > > > >> > Lodewijk > > >> > > > >> > 2011/7/21 Hubert <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> > > >> > > > >> > First report for Austria: > > >> > > > >> > The project Wiki Loves monument takes place > simultaneously > > >> with their > > >> > own efforts for the acquisition of Austrias cultural > > heritage in > > >> > Wikipedia. The Dehio-project was started in Austria in > > >> December 2009, > > >> > but the systematic recording of the objects starts this > > year > > >> on a larger > > >> > scale. Particularly noteworthy is that there are about > > 80 to 100 > > >> > austrian Wikipedians who contribute to this project > > (lists of > > >> > monuments). > > >> > > > >> > Cooperation with the Federal Monuments Office > > (Bundesdenkmalamt) > > >> > > > >> > A delegation of Wikipedians Wikimedia Austria, have > brought > > >> about a > > >> > far-reaching cooperation with the Federal Heritage > > Office of > > >> Austria. > > >> > > > >> > This cooperation involves several steps, the period of > the > > >> collaboration > > >> > is intended to be permanent. > > >> > > > >> > Wikipedia and Wikimedia Austria are officially a partner > of > > >> the Federal > > >> > Monuments Office for at first two photo contests > (National > > >> Heritage Day > > >> > and International Heritage Photographic Experience.) > > >> > > > >> > The Federal Heritage Office itself supports the > > monument list > > >> team of > > >> > Wikipedia in extensive form with the corresponding data > > for 36 000 > > >> > objects of all listed properties in Austria. > > >> > > > >> > Especially with regard to the annual update of all > content. > > >> This allows > > >> > Wikipedia to create monument lists for all > > municipalities in > > >> Austria to > > >> > create these lists and to actualize those lists in > > short term > > >> to bring > > >> > them up to date automatically to a great extent. > > >> > > > >> > The following two photo contests were discussed and > > agreement > > >> reached. > > >> > > > >> > 1. The Heritage Day - especially the photo competition > > for the > > >> day, > > >> > which takes place annually on the last Sunday in > September. > > >> > > > >> > 2. IHPE - International Heritage Photographic > Experience. > > >> (Beginning in > > >> > October 2011 to March 2012) > > >> > > > >> > The Heritage Day > > >> > > > >> > The European Heritage Days are a Community Action under > the > > >> patronage of > > >> > the Council of Europe and the European Commission and > will > > >> take place > > >> > this year for the 25th Time in a now 50 member > > countries. The > > >> event > > >> > itself runs throughout September in Europe, in Austria > > on the last > > >> > Sunday of the month. The core of the Heritage Day for > > Austria > > >> will be > > >> > the accessibility of listed buildings with guided > > tours, which are > > >> > usually not publicly accessible. More important, we > should > > >> also yield > > >> > because of the photo. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > International Heritage Photographic Experience > > >> > > > >> > The second agreemanent is also under the auspices of the > > >> Council of > > >> > Europe standing photo contest for young person under 21 > > years > > >> by the > > >> > Federal Monuments Office for the 7th Times for Austria > > and is > > >> generally > > >> > dedicated to the cultural heritage. Overall, it is the > 16th > > >> > competition. The website of the organizers based in > > Catalonia > > >> > (Generalitat de Catalunya, Museo d'Historia de > Catalunya) > > >> shows the 14 > > >> > Competition and pictures of the final event in > Strasbourg. > > >> > > > >> > The purpose of this competition will be photos of all > > 36 000 > > >> monuments > > >> > which are listed in the Wikipedia lists of monuments, > which > > >> can then be > > >> > assigned directly by id-numbers, corresponding to the > > respective > > >> > objects. All these photos become part of Wikimedia > Commons. > > >> > > > >> > Overall, young people from 50 countries participate in > this > > >> event, with > > >> > each country organizes the competition on their own and > > >> perform - as > > >> > well as the selection of the winning photos -, which > then > > >> opens into a > > >> > common, printed catalog, which is produced in Barcelona. > At > > >> the end of > > >> > each year, a large final event (this year on 6 December > > 2011 > > >> at the > > >> > Palais de l'Europe in Strasbourg), which is > > simultaneously the > > >> start of > > >> > the last part of a years contest, because in March, 31, > > 2012 > > >> is the > > >> > closing for upload images for the previous content. > > >> > > > >> > All photos, which are made in these competitions in > Austria > > >> are part > > >> > of Wikimedia Commons. > > >> > > > >> > Other projects > > >> > > > >> > MEMORIAL place of learning is the cultural exchange > > program of the > > >> > Federal Monuments Office. > > >> > > > >> > "The goal is to learn together with teachers and > > students > > >> know the > > >> > areas of Monument, Monument Protection and Conservation, > to > > >> explore and > > >> > experience. Whether through projects, workshops or > > tours - in > > >> the center > > >> > of the monument are a place of learning and exploration > > >> exploration of > > >> > our cultural heritage in the living environment of > > children and > > >> > adolescents. The meeting opened with monuments young > > creative > > >> freedom > > >> > and develops a variety of talents, so that perception > and > > >> appreciation > > >> > for cultural products can grow. " > > >> > > > >> > - Federal Monuments Office, Andrea Böhm > > >> > > > >> > Another project - currently standing in the development > > phase > > >> - is so > > >> > called "monument in the village" This action helds place > in > > >> Austria's > > >> > schools and communities to discover and to motivate > people > > >> documenting > > >> > their own cultural environment and is expected to start > in > > >> spring 2012. > > >> > > > >> > Wikipedia will also be part of this project, because it > is > > >> directly > > >> > related to the Wikipedia article-work and part of the > > >> monuments lists > > >> > themselves. > > >> > > > >> > What is the benefit for Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons? > > >> > > > >> > All taken pictures which have been taken through the > years > > >> during all > > >> > events are on some hard drives and are not used for > public > > >> use. All the > > >> > pictures from this events for the next few years, will > > be part of > > >> > Wikimedia Commons under a free license given, > > Cc-by-sa-3.0 AT. > > >> This is > > >> > determined by us, the Federal Monuments Office supports > > this > > >> idea and > > >> > implement it explicitly. The same also applies for all > > >> photographs that > > >> > are done for the day of the memorial. These photos are > > part of > > >> Wikimedia > > >> > Commons, equally as the photos for Wiki Loves monument. > > >> > > > >> > Both photo projects aimed at young people primarily - > > but not > > >> only - in > > >> > order to bring the idea of protecting cultural heritage > > >> values. The > > >> > Federal Monuments Office will launch in schools and > other > > >> institutions > > >> > in total 137 000 folders, and all interested > > participants will > > >> be guided > > >> > to upload to the website of Wikipedia and Wikimedia > > Commons. > > >> > > > >> > Wikipedians will also participate in the jury > > (pre-judging / > > >> ev. Main > > >> > panel) for all contests, listen above. > > >> > > > >> > Greetings Hubertl (de:wikipedia) > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > >> > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > >> <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > >> > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > >> <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > >> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > >> > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > >> > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > >> <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > >> > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > >> <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >
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