Hello Jane,
I recently started with collecting the deletion request pages in the categories
for Belgium and Luxembourg, France exists longer. This just the top of the
iceberg, but is a start to get insight how big the problem is. Many earlier
deletion requests still need to be put in the categories.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sorted_deletion_requests
Greetings - Romaine
--- On Thu, 9/22/11, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jane Darnell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] FOP-Research urgently needed
To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition"
<[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 9:35 AM
Lodewijk,
I totally agree with you (a big Hurrah for FOP in NL!!) and let me just say how
impressed I am with the result so far despite problems such
as the ones Yaroslav mentions. Browsing the photo's daily as they come
in, I am often awed at the inspiring "monuments" that are being added to
Commons. I am also highly impressed at the number of new users (thanks
to the tool by Nuno I have an impression of how many of these there
are).
I shudder to think about the reactions of users when they see a request for
deletion with a "NO FOP" message - is there any way we can get admins to
somehow link to the proper explanation in the user's language? Or perhaps the
deletion requests can be forwarded to some WLM intermediary? How big IS this
problem? I wish I could see how often this is happening, because I would hate
to see our new users disillusioned so quickly in their Wiki Commons upload
experience.
Jane
2011/9/22 Lodewijk <[email protected]>
We should definitely stick to our usual procedures on Commons - and make sure
that the law is followed. Of course WLM is a good argument why Freedom of
Panorama is a Good Thing but that is another discussion.
It would be very helpful if uploaders can early in the prrocess identify which
buildings will be protected, and which are possible to be photographed of
course.
Lodewijk (who is very happy that NL has Freedom of Panorama)
No dia 22 de Setembro de 2011 11:24, Yaroslav M. Blanter <[email protected]>
escreveu:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:54:28 +0400, Анастасия Львова
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> as far as I understand, it was one of the
>> main barriers which delayed the participation of Russia.
> No. The problem was a base with a Lenin monuments of XIX century. Fear
> of lack of FOP is one of the reasons of small activity of existing
> users - so we have big activity of new users. We see that they make
> mistakes in this area, but even from them the count of errors is very
> small and the jury given the task to solve it carefully.
Well, I obviously have smth to say about this - and I will post it on
October 1, so that we do not get distracted from the current activity. But
just to mention it, the database has a number of typos (like the one you
cite), what is more important, it has a big number of more serious errors -
the monuments which are still protected by law and included in the database
but do not factually exist. The point is that this is not so much an
obstacle for running WLM, since hardly anybody would provide monuments of
non-existing monuments, and if someone would, this could be a major
success. (I think if we could collect in such a way free images of wooden
churches burned in Arkhangelsk Oblast in 1970s-1980s it would be great). On
the other hand, the FoP is a real issue - the images which violate FoP are
subject to deletion on Commons, and you do not want a new user to start
his/her participation in Wikipedia with a deletion review notice on his/her
talk page. The fraction of non-free images is obviously small, since most
of the monuments of cultural heritage protected in Russia were created
before 1917 and thus are PD-RusEmpire. I believe (but did not check) that
this fraction is even lower in Saint-Petersburg.
Cheers
Yaroslav
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