Grade i and grade II* makes for an interesting start, though I suspect we might already have most of them - apart of course from ones that we have no access to such as the grade II* listed cellar under a bank in the midlands. For future years when we broaden it I would like to suggest we extend it to scheduled ancient monuments as well.
On 20 August 2013 20:05, Maarten Dammers <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Op 19-8-2013 22:21, Andrew Gray schreef: > > Hi Maarten, > > Some notes I made a while back on the problems with including Grade II > (and equivalent): > > I wondered if it was so much different than the Netherlands: > > Total sites uk: 460000 > Total area UK : 243610 km = 1,88 monuments/km2 > Total inhabbitants UK: 63181775 = 1 monument / 137 inhabbitants > > Total sites Netherlands: 63143 Rijksmonumenten and about 20.000 > Gemeentelijke monumenten > Total area Netherlands: 41543 = 1,52 monuments/km2 (only RM) or 2,00 with > Gemeentelijke monumenten > Total inhabbitants Netherlands: 16788973 = 1 monument / 256 inhabbitants > (only RM) or 1 moment / 201 inhabbitants > > So order of magnitude is about the same. > > > a) The lists become huge and difficult to maintain; > > Yes, that's quite a bit of work. I ended up in some cities splitting it up > by street. I'm still not done with > https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Navigatie_rijksmonumenten_Amsterdamand > https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Navigatie_rijksmonumenten_Haarlem. You > really need local idiots like me for that ;-) > > b) Grade II contains many of the "non-building" listings; looking at the > 703 Grade II in Cambridge, the first few on the list include a statue, a > boathouse, a couple of walls, and some gates. On my way to work, I cycle > past two telephone boxes, an unremarkable river lock, some respectable > terraced cottages... all grade II listed, and all within a few hundred > meters on the same road. They're individually registered, but they're not > what the general public would consider "listed buildings" (and personally > I'd argue that a lot simply aren't very interesting from Commons' > perspective) > > I love the not "premier league" buildings. It is really an eye opener to > see that these quite ordinary buildings have such a history. > > c) Because it contains so many buildings, a lot of them are still > people's homes. This gets us into some complicated and concerning issues; I > am not sure there's much benefit to running a contest encouraging people to > go and take lots of pictures of relatively anonymous houses, and it's quite > possibly going to backfire if we do. It's still something of an issue with > WLM in general, but I'd argue that a Grade I or II* building is less likely > to feel weird in this regard - if you live in it, you're a bit more used to > the idea of public attention than if you live in a less distinctive > building. Grade II almost certainly contains a much higher number of > private residences both proportionately and absolutely. > > Most of the Rijksmonumenten in the Netherlands (about 27.000) are homes > (either normal house or farmhouse). We had some fun conversations during > the "wiki takes ..." events, but I don't recall anyone running into any > real problems. > > Anyway, take this in account for the future :-) > > Maarten > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >
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