In the Philippines, members of the Wiki Loves Monuments organizing team cannot take part and jury members are not contestants. But in this case such rules should have been clear from the start. If there isn't any announcement of winners yet, the organizing committee should still be able to eliminate/disqualify entries, unless the jury members have compared their scores with one another.
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Андрій Бондаренко <[email protected]>wrote: > Почитав я цей діалог і мені стало дуже соромно, що я є членом цього > оргкомітету... > > > 2013/11/2 Tomasz Ganicz <[email protected]> > >> Our regulation excludes members of the board of Wikimedia Polska, as >> well, as their family relatives and employees. Which means for example >> that my doughter cannot win the Polish contest :-) Polish civil code >> precisely defines the meaning ot the "family relative" - I guess in >> other jursdictions similar definition can be found. >> >> I guess in case of the global jury - as the pictures are pre-selected >> by local juries, there is no need for similar regulation. >> >> >> 2013/11/1 Lodewijk <[email protected]>: >> > Hi Illia, >> > >> > Thanks for your email. Family members of the jury members are >> definitely a >> > tricky terrain. If your rules stated that family members of jury members >> > cannot take part, I think it is totally valid to disqualify these >> images. >> > >> > So first of all: yes, of course national rules can be more elaborate >> than >> > the international rules. This is quite common actually - for example, >> > several chapter give out 'Special Awards' or take other national issues >> in >> > consideration. Conflict of Interest is one of these. >> > >> > Secondly, what qualifies as a family member, is a cultural question - >> this >> > is something you should probably consider in the Ukrainian context. I >> > personally definitely would consider it a family member, but I'm not >> very >> > Ukrainian. It becomes more tricky with nephews etc. >> > >> > Thirdly you ask if the organizing committee can overrule the jury - now >> this >> > is a really tricky one. Again there is some cultural background here >> > probably. I'm used to a situation where the jury is considered the >> neutral >> > body to make final decisions regarding prizes, and nobody would come up >> with >> > an idea to overrule the jury, unless there are legal reasons or rules >> that >> > require that. But in another country, it might very well be common to >> let >> > the jury only be responsible for ranking, and then the organizers make >> the >> > formal decision. This is something that is probably to be determined by >> your >> > rules. >> > >> > I hope this helps. >> > >> > Best, >> > Lodewijk >> > >> > >> > 2013/11/1 Ilya Korniyko <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Hi, Ukrainian organizing committe has trouble with one winner. >> >> >> >> In 2012 the chapter board set rules for Ukrainian part of the >> competition, >> >> which contains a point that organizing committe members, jury and their >> >> family members (I don't know how to translate precisely, and the >> correct >> >> word matters here) cannot take part in the competition. According to >> our >> >> rules places are determined by jury but organizing committee can >> disqualify >> >> works. >> >> >> >> This year we found out only after final jury round that second place is >> >> authored by one of jury member's father an his wife. While we have no >> direct >> >> objections that this choice was unfair or biased, we thougth that it >> would >> >> be difficult to understand by other people and may harm the contest >> >> reputation. We decided not give the prize from the chapter but to >> present >> >> this photo among 10 best to international competition and say that it >> was >> >> seconf by jury decision but authors were not given prizes due to >> violation >> >> of the rules as the organizing committe decided. >> >> >> >> Now the authors of this photo ask us questions >> >> >> >> 1) There is no prohibition in the international rules for jury members' >> >> family. Does our chapter have a right to add additional criterias? >> >> 2) Can a father be qualified as a family member? Is this a good >> criteria? >> >> 3) Is this ok for organizing committee to override jury decision in >> this >> >> case? >> >> >> >> Oranizing committe, the winner and jury member in question are in copy. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Illia >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz >> http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek >> http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ >> http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "wlm-ua" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > -- > З повагою, > Андрій Бондаренко > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > -- *ROEL BALINGIT* *Treasurer* *______________________________________________________________* *WIKIMEDIA PHILIPPINES* *G/F Gervacia Center, 152 Amorsolo Street, Legaspi Village, 1229 Makati City * *T: +63-2-8123277 | F: +63-2-8127177 | M: +63-917-8807635 * *W: **www.wikimedia.org.ph | E: [email protected]* ******************************************************************* ******************************************** This e-mail is confidential. 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