improving the error message would probably be more instructive and helpful in the long run :) Just give people an advice how to act (i.e. add the date)
2014-09-01 20:13 GMT+02:00 werespielchequers <[email protected]>: > I wonder if we could change the upload so it added a random suffix to > non-unique file names? That way the uploads would still work, and we > wouldn't lose the meaningful part of file names - sometimes the best bit > for search results. > > > Jonathan > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Racso > Date:01/09/2014 17:54 (GMT+00:00) > To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition > Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has > notstarted yet... > > It's clear that obscure names should be discouraged (for Wikimedia Commons > standards), but right now we may discourage participation with that > limitation. There isn't even an option to pick a new filename when an error > occurs in the UploadWizard; you have to start the upload process all over > again. Also, there isn't a quick way to check if the filename that is about > to be used is already occupied or not; you have to save, get the API error, > and start over again. > > Also, please note that the problem isn't limited only to obscure names. > The "Eiffel TowerX.jpg" (for several values of X, and with no X) name is > already occupied. The same may happen to popular monuments on each country. > > That said, I insist: we should make participation as easy as possible. In > most photo repositories (everyone except Commons?), you don't even need to > assign names to uploaded files; they are automatically generated. Yes, they > end being obscure, random names such as 12309803.jpg, but nobody cares > about that! We can't change Commons naming policies right now, but we can, > at least, help participants by reducing name collisions or making the > error-fixing process as easy as possible. > > For now, I'll try to explain in WLM-CO instructions that an > "api-error-unknownerror" > means that the photo filename should be changed. > > Racso > > > > 2014-09-01 4:53 GMT-05:00 <[email protected]>: > >> Yes, >> >> >> >> I have received some e-mails from various people that they do have this >> issue in WLM CZ. I do believe however it is a filename issue, as it is >> highly logical to expect files named IMG_401.JPG to be kinda problem to >> upload... as pretty much everyone tried to do so in past 10 years. >> >> >> >> So they were kindly asked to change the filename... >> >> >> >> >> >> Aktron >> >> Wikimedia Czech Republic >> >> chairman >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > Od: KaewWiki <[email protected]> >> > Komu: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition < >> [email protected]> >> > Datum: 01.09.2014 11:11 >> > Předmět: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has >> notstarted yet... >> > >> Hi Rasco, >> >> I confirmed that "<api-error-unknownerror>" is a filename problem. >> >> We should >> (1) tell the uploader that it is a filename issue. >> (2) allow them to go back to the page where the uploader may give a new >> name -- rather than give an option to retry. >> >> Taweetham >> >> >> On 1 September 2014 14:06, Jan Ainali <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> DSC0001 - 28392 is an obscure file name and should really be >>> discouraged. File names should be descriptive. If anything, the help text >>> for that field can be made clearer. >>> >>> >>> *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* >>> >>> Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige >>> <http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida> >>> 0729 - 67 29 48 >>> >>> *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till >>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* >>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se> >>> >>> >>> 2014-09-01 9:00 GMT+02:00 Racso <[email protected]>: >>> >>> I had that error when doing a test upload. I retried, changing the >>>> filename, and it worked. >>>> That made me wonder: Is there a way for making the UploadWizard to >>>> append a random number to the default filename? I'm pretty sure lots of >>>> participants will have trouble because of trying to upload images with >>>> already occupied filenames, specially if the names come from cameras (e.g. >>>> DSC0001). If a random number is appended to the name (e.g. DSC0001 - >>>> 28392), we would heavily reduce this problem. >>>> Racso >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-08-31 22:42 GMT-05:00 KaewWiki <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> However, it now has another problem at "Describe" stage: >>>>> >>>>> 77px-Örebro_slott_resynth.jpg >>>>> <api-error-unknownerror> >>>>> None of the uploads were successful. >>>>> >>>>> Retry failed uploads >>>>> >>>>> Anyone has done a successful test upload? >>>>> >>>>> On 1 September 2014 10:09, KaewWiki <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > It is now fixed. Thank you. >>>>> > >>>>> > On 1 September 2014 09:21, Romaine Wiki <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> I think this is a known bug of the upload wizard. Is it still say >>>>> that the >>>>> >> contest has not started yet? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Romaine >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 2014-09-01 2:16 GMT+02:00 Saqib Qayyum <[email protected]>: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Same here Pakistan >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ________________________________ >>>>> >>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 02:15:51 +0200 >>>>> >>> From: [email protected] >>>>> >>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has >>>>> not >>>>> >>> started yet... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Same here when I tried to submit an image to UK contest :-) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> 2014-09-01 2:13 GMT+02:00 KaewWiki <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Hello All, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> This is a message from WMTH. This is about 7:05am Thailand time or >>>>> >>> 00:05 (UTC). I try to do a test upload and see the following >>>>> message. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> "Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has not started yet. >>>>> >>> Wiki Loves Monuments will start in September. You may still share >>>>> your >>>>> >>> images, but they will not be eligible for the competition." >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The URL is >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wlm-th&id=0000024&descriptionlang=th&description=%5B%5B%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B3%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A8%5D%5D&lat= >>>>> 13.759925059999986&lon=100.5016259999999 >>>>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wlm-th&id=0000024&descriptionlang=th&description=%5B%5B%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B3%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A8%5D%5D&lat=13.759925059999986&lon=100.5016259999999> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Anyone got the same problem? Any solutions? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Many thanks, >>>>> >>> Taweetham >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> >>> [email protected] >>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -- >>>>> >>> Pierre-Selim >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves >>>>> Monuments >>>>> >>> mailing list [email protected] >>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> >>> [email protected] >>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >
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