Hi Sandra, Your descriptions were helpful and addressed my questions/confusions. Regarding the meeting: let's wait to hear from at least a few other people if they find it useful as well. If there are at least a few of us, it's good to have one and we can discuss the format. Otherwise, I'll drop that suggestion.
Thanks, Lily On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 7:32 AM Sandra Fauconnier <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Lily! > > Responding to your questions inline below: > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM Lily <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Hi Sandra, >> >> I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite basic. If >> I go to >> https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_and_ceiling_2.jpg >> , I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect to see >> based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file such as >> https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_eyes.jpg >> I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong? > > > This is an issue with test-commons, not related to Structured Data at all, > and apparently difficult to fix. Not all files you find will have a > "Structured data" tab. > See also the list of known issues at the bottom of the consultation page - it > also says that you can't see many images (equally an issue with test-commons > and unrelated to Structured data) > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Depicts_testing > >> >> Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and Wikidata, I'm >> slightly lost as where we are with the different components of SDC >> with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For example, >> * are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons page such >> as >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedral.jpg >> via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If they are >> missing, what are those? > > > First, there's a technical component to this. At this moment, apart from > adding a multilingual caption, you can't add any structured data to a file on > Commons yet. > In a few weeks, if all goes well and no big technical hurdles occur, you will > be able to add 'Depicts' statements to files on Wikimedia Commons. And soon > after that, you will also be able to add other Wikidata statements too. > The technical timeline is explained here: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development#Upcoming_releases > > Then there's a social component. Just like happened with Wikidata, it is up > to the community to define the data model: i.e. exactly *how* files on > Wikimedia Commons must be described. As soon as Wikidata became available, > the community started to propose properties and started to figure out how > exactly you should describe a building, painting, species, human... on > Wikidata. > The same process must still happen on Wikimedia Commons too. > There is already some brainstorming here: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Properties_table > It would be very valuable if people from the Wiki Loves... communities would > be active in this process as well, to make sure that photos of heritage are > well described on Commons! > >> >> * What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM campaigns on >> Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you referring to the >> landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume that all >> the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest at >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran >> can be represented by structured data? > > > Sorry for the lack of clarity here! > No, this does *not* apply to landing pages. Structured data only applies to > the files on Wikimedia Commons - the photos (and sometimes videos) that > participants upload. So Structured data will play a role at the moment when > participants upload their images, and when you want to organize and describe > these images better. > Landing pages will stay wikitext pages. > >> >> On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a local >> organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual online meeting >> where we can have some of these types of questions answered directly. >> While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a virtual >> meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both on your >> end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have impact on >> our feedback on features such as uploadwizard. > > > Of course, I will be very happy to organize this! If anyone on this mailing > list has direct suggestions on how and when to do it (IRC office hour? A > Google Hangout? Which time would be most convenient?), I would love to hear > them, and otherwise I'll get in touch with you and some other very active > organizers to plan a meeting. > > Warmly, Sandra > >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-) >> > >> > Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available this >> > year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files >> > on Wikimedia Commons. >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About >> > >> > Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can find and >> > describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data >> > with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build >> > applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/ >> > >> > In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki Loves... >> > (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons >> > with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you >> > are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or >> > other data in Wikidata!) >> > >> > In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve Wikimedia >> > Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by >> > Structured Data 'new style'. >> > >> > Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear which >> > structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now >> > organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks. >> > >> > This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave feedback. >> > We're collecting this first round of input until April 17. >> > >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/SDC_campaign_features_for_UploadWizard >> > >> > Many thanks in advance! >> > Warmly, Sandra >> > >> > -- >> > Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) >> > Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation >> > Twitter: @glamwiki >> > >> > How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia >> > communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> >> >> -- >> User: LilyOfTheWest > > > > -- > Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) > Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation > Twitter: @glamwiki > > How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia > communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM -- User: LilyOfTheWest _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
