Dear Sandra,
Thank you for the explanations. However, I should mention that all WLM
organizers already have their small Structured Data, namely, lists of
monuments that contain all necessary information: region and city names,
coordinates, construction years, etc. One could think of feeding this
information directly into the Upload Wizard, which will help to increase
the amount of Structured Data on Commons, but I don't think it will
change anything from the WLM (participant or organizer) perspective. We
already have this information available and organized in a structured way.
For me the crucial question to Structured Data is about changes it will
bring to Commons. The experience of all Wikimedians, including WLM
participants and organizers, will really change when we are able to
find, display, and re-use images linked to a given city, architect, or
monument ID. When is it going to happen? How is it going to work? I have
not heard much about those aspects, so for me any extensive discussion
of WLM vs. Structured Data is rather pre-mature, although I would be
happy to take part in the live conversation, should it happen.
best,
Alexander
PS. Thank you for pointing out the link to the 'Properties table'. I
have a few things to propose and will leave a comment on that page.
On 4/8/2019 4:32 PM, Sandra Fauconnier wrote:
Hello Lily!
Responding to your questions inline below:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM Lily
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Sandra,
I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite basic. If
I go to
https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_and_ceiling_2.jpg
, I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect to see
based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file such as
https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_eyes.jpg
I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong?
This is an issue with test-commons, not related to Structured Data at
all, and apparently difficult to fix. Not all files you find will have
a "Structured data" tab.
See also the list of known issues at the bottom of the consultation
page - it also says that you can't see many images (equally an issue
with test-commons and unrelated to Structured data)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Depicts_testing
Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and Wikidata, I'm
slightly lost as where we are with the different components of SDC
with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For example,
* are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons page such
as
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedral.jpg
via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If they are
missing, what are those?
First, there's a technical component to this. At this moment, apart
from adding a multilingual caption, you can't add any structured data
to a file on Commons yet.
In a few weeks, if all goes well and no big technical hurdles occur,
you will be able to add 'Depicts' statements to files on Wikimedia
Commons. And soon after that, you will also be able to add other
Wikidata statements too.
The technical timeline is explained here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development#Upcoming_releases
Then there's a social component. Just like happened with Wikidata, it
is up to the community to define the data model: i.e. exactly *how*
files on Wikimedia Commons must be described. As soon as Wikidata
became available, the community started to propose properties and
started to figure out how exactly you should describe a building,
painting, species, human... on Wikidata.
The same process must still happen on Wikimedia Commons too.
There is already some brainstorming here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Properties_table
It would be very valuable if people from the Wiki Loves... communities
would be active in this process as well, to make sure that photos of
heritage are well described on Commons!
* What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM campaigns on
Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you referring to the
landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume that all
the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran
can be represented by structured data?
Sorry for the lack of clarity here!
No, this does *not* apply to landing pages. Structured data only
applies to the files on Wikimedia Commons - the photos (and sometimes
videos) that participants upload. So Structured data will play a role
at the moment when participants upload their images, and when you want
to organize and describe these images better.
Landing pages will stay wikitext pages.
On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a local
organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual online meeting
where we can have some of these types of questions answered directly.
While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a virtual
meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both on your
end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have impact on
our feedback on features such as uploadwizard.
Of course, I will be very happy to organize this! If anyone on this
mailing list has direct suggestions on how and when to do it (IRC
office hour? A Google Hangout? Which time would be most convenient?),
I would love to hear them, and otherwise I'll get in touch with you
and some other very active organizers to plan a meeting.
Warmly, Sandra
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-)
>
> Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available
this year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata
directly to files on Wikimedia Commons.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About
>
> Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can
find and describe files on Commons in many languages), and
machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced
possibilities to build applications like Monumental -
https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/
>
> In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki
Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on
Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely
optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this,
especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!)
>
> In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve
Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want
to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'.
>
> Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear
which structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard,
and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next
two weeks.
>
> This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave
feedback. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17.
>
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/SDC_campaign_features_for_UploadWizard
>
> Many thanks in advance!
> Warmly, Sandra
>
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