Great, thanks a lot everyone. Looks like plenty of opportunities to use the
images.

Best
Yaroslav

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:40 AM Éder Porto F Alves <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I have a list of 14 image related properties that we are considering to
> declare "this monument had no image at the start of the contest" in WLM
> Brasil:
>
>    - P18 (image)
>    - P3311 (plan view image)
>    - P4291 (panoramic view)
>    - P4640 (photosphere image)
>    - P8517 (view)
>    - P1442 (image of grave)
>    - P1766 (place name sign)
>    - P1801 (commemorative plaque image)
>    - P3451 (nighttime view)
>    - P5252 (winter view)
>    - P5775 (image of interior)
>    - P8592 (aerial view)
>    - P9721 (image of entrance)
>    - P9906 (inscription image)
>
> We have them in a fallback relation. Video is something that we didn't
> consider this year, good idea! Winter view in Brazil rarely have snow,
> unfortunatelly, and I feel kinda "guilt" by using images taken between June
> and September in this property, haha.
>
> Good contributions,
> Éder Porto
> ------------------------------
> *De:* effe iets anders <[email protected]>
> *Enviado:* sábado, 30 de outubro de 2021 18:32
> *Para:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
> [email protected]>
> *Assunto:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021
>
> It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites?
> Those are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of
> filling the gaps.
>
> For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be applicable
> (which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way to
> explicitly define 'none'. For example entrance.
>
> Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other seasons?
> :) Very Northern hemisphere perspective...
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]>:
>
> Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one
> property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used
> with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes
> people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We
> do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic
> view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not
> think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On
> Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one
> category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction
> between the images on the structural level?
>
>
> You should have looked :)  It turns out we have plenty of image
> properties: https://w.wiki/4Jw2
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw.wiki%2F4Jw2&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974717161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DEkK5OygXJGArzw21AT2StlTmOiST%2FnLwOI4HKffrsg%3D&reserved=0>
>
> Of these 47 the following were interesting:
>
> panoramic view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4291
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4291&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4yheJy9%2FXvFbLLiP8WsRzXlBDNat4sotrJXNPGGdFbg%3D&reserved=0>
> photosphere image http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4640
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4640&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=J3IDr0UYCdjliOHlfnfDxSaYbdKLCQ83gLTGEGZIEtE%3D&reserved=0>
> winter view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5252
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP5252&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974737132%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=um8I15Bj3vMiXVU6%2FwIUpUXGTzQnsx%2BmpJZdNthKNiM%3D&reserved=0>
> image of interior http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5775
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP5775&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974747127%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=rfXyCfPjFs912sf3Hpkm79ou7llDfuJm2%2F48EpI1Q3k%3D&reserved=0>
> aerial view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P8592
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP8592&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974747127%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DvF%2Bs0vdJIVaXlOiuIYe4EpXifWz7CN%2B6sQG22gY%2BvQ%3D&reserved=0>
> image of entrance http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P9721
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP9721&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974757122%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=EFUD86NRBEE0XmvRpRqEBs4RKx9FvtuI204lLhu%2Bl3Q%3D&reserved=0>
> video http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P10
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP10&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974767117%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=gyCCREqyRALsdzt1CVQ%2B38deDCNXZLfL%2BxHYaN5YSW8%3D&reserved=0>
>
> that I'm using in my table. Not many in my example monument list have
> several of these, so there's a lot to do.
>
> /Jan
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:27 PM Ciell Wikipedia <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> If I read the table correctly, it shows (lack of) different images:
> overview, panorama, close-up, interior, entrance, video. That is a nice
> challenge indeed, thanks for sharing the query Jan!
>
> I remember when we did variations like this in NL, and awarded a special
> prize for the best detailed image of a monument, a special prize for an
> aerial image of a monument (drones!), or for an overview series of max 10
> images of one monument. This query would be very helpful for those kinds of
> extra prizes.
>
> Vriendelijke groet,
> Ciell
>
>
> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 19:49 schreef Jan Ainali <[email protected]>:
>
> One very interesting aspect that was touched upon today (I don't remember
> in which session) was the notion of going a bit deeper than just getting
> the first image of a monument.
>
> That got me inspired to experiment with this listeria list that uses many
> more relevant image properties. (Sorry for the Swedish but the SPARQL query
> in the wikitext should be language neutral.)
>
>
> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare%3AAinali%2FLista_%C3%B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsv.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAnv%25C3%25A4ndare%253AAinali%252FLista_%25C3%25B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974767117%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3MPzfHEEID%2Fhrguhdg9oGIw8rdMbbohn%2B22tiJbB1qQ%3D&reserved=0>
>
> I hope that can inspire someone further
>
> Med vänliga hälsningar
> Jan Ainali
>
>
> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 19:20 skrev Ciell Wikipedia <
> [email protected]>:
>
> Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions!
>
> I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available
> through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole
> WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the
> material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT
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> channel, and I assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well.
>
> Today's sessions were:
> * Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill)
> * Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving)
> * Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä)
> * Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian experience
> (Éder Port)
> * Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a tool
> to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley)
> * Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder)
>
> I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to
> thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition
> at today's WikidataCon! 👍
>
> Vriendelijke groet,
> Ciell
>
>
> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> [email protected]>:
>
> Hello,
>
> For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on WLM
> today. The sessions have already started. The program schedule is here -
> https://pretalx.com/wdcon21/schedule/#2021-10-30
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> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
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