Den sön 31 okt. 2021 kl 10:51 skrev Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]>:
> Actually, thinking more about it: views of the same building from > different sides (also also from the inner yard) must be eligible as well. > What would be the best practice? P8517 (view) using different qualifiers? > Not P8517, it is meant for images FROM a place, not OF a place. The views are obviously eligible for WLM, but it is not trivial to add them to a Wikidata item consistently right now. We might need some new properties. /Jan > Best > Yaroslav > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 10:43 AM Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Great, thanks a lot everyone. Looks like plenty of opportunities to use >> the images. >> >> Best >> Yaroslav >> >> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:40 AM Éder Porto F Alves < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have a list of 14 image related properties that we are considering to >>> declare "this monument had no image at the start of the contest" in WLM >>> Brasil: >>> >>> - P18 (image) >>> - P3311 (plan view image) >>> - P4291 (panoramic view) >>> - P4640 (photosphere image) >>> - P8517 (view) >>> - P1442 (image of grave) >>> - P1766 (place name sign) >>> - P1801 (commemorative plaque image) >>> - P3451 (nighttime view) >>> - P5252 (winter view) >>> - P5775 (image of interior) >>> - P8592 (aerial view) >>> - P9721 (image of entrance) >>> - P9906 (inscription image) >>> >>> We have them in a fallback relation. Video is something that we didn't >>> consider this year, good idea! Winter view in Brazil rarely have snow, >>> unfortunatelly, and I feel kinda "guilt" by using images taken between June >>> and September in this property, haha. >>> >>> Good contributions, >>> Éder Porto >>> ------------------------------ >>> *De:* effe iets anders <[email protected]> >>> *Enviado:* sábado, 30 de outubro de 2021 18:32 >>> *Para:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Assunto:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021 >>> >>> It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites? >>> Those are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of >>> filling the gaps. >>> >>> For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be >>> applicable (which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way >>> to explicitly define 'none'. For example entrance. >>> >>> Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other seasons? >>> :) Very Northern hemisphere perspective... >>> >>> Lodewijk >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one >>> property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used >>> with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes >>> people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We >>> do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic >>> view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not >>> think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On >>> Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one >>> category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction >>> between the images on the structural level? >>> >>> >>> You should have looked :) It turns out we have plenty of image >>> properties: https://w.wiki/4Jw2 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw.wiki%2F4Jw2&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974717161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DEkK5OygXJGArzw21AT2StlTmOiST%2FnLwOI4HKffrsg%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> Of these 47 the following were interesting: >>> >>> panoramic view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4291 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4291&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4yheJy9%2FXvFbLLiP8WsRzXlBDNat4sotrJXNPGGdFbg%3D&reserved=0> >>> photosphere image http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4640 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4640&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=J3IDr0UYCdjliOHlfnfDxSaYbdKLCQ83gLTGEGZIEtE%3D&reserved=0> >>> winter view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5252 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP5252&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974737132%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=um8I15Bj3vMiXVU6%2FwIUpUXGTzQnsx%2BmpJZdNthKNiM%3D&reserved=0> >>> image of interior http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5775 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP5775&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974747127%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=rfXyCfPjFs912sf3Hpkm79ou7llDfuJm2%2F48EpI1Q3k%3D&reserved=0> >>> aerial view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P8592 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP8592&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974747127%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DvF%2Bs0vdJIVaXlOiuIYe4EpXifWz7CN%2B6sQG22gY%2BvQ%3D&reserved=0> >>> image of entrance http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P9721 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP9721&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974757122%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=EFUD86NRBEE0XmvRpRqEBs4RKx9FvtuI204lLhu%2Bl3Q%3D&reserved=0> >>> video http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P10 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP10&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974767117%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=gyCCREqyRALsdzt1CVQ%2B38deDCNXZLfL%2BxHYaN5YSW8%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> that I'm using in my table. Not many in my example monument list have >>> several of these, so there's a lot to do. >>> >>> /Jan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:27 PM Ciell Wikipedia < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> If I read the table correctly, it shows (lack of) different images: >>> overview, panorama, close-up, interior, entrance, video. That is a nice >>> challenge indeed, thanks for sharing the query Jan! >>> >>> I remember when we did variations like this in NL, and awarded a special >>> prize for the best detailed image of a monument, a special prize for an >>> aerial image of a monument (drones!), or for an overview series of max 10 >>> images of one monument. This query would be very helpful for those kinds of >>> extra prizes. >>> >>> Vriendelijke groet, >>> Ciell >>> >>> >>> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 19:49 schreef Jan Ainali <[email protected]>: >>> >>> One very interesting aspect that was touched upon today (I don't >>> remember in which session) was the notion of going a bit deeper than just >>> getting the first image of a monument. >>> >>> That got me inspired to experiment with this listeria list that uses >>> many more relevant image properties. (Sorry for the Swedish but the SPARQL >>> query in the wikitext should be language neutral.) >>> >>> >>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare%3AAinali%2FLista_%C3%B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsv.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAnv%25C3%25A4ndare%253AAinali%252FLista_%25C3%25B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974767117%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3MPzfHEEID%2Fhrguhdg9oGIw8rdMbbohn%2B22tiJbB1qQ%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> I hope that can inspire someone further >>> >>> Med vänliga hälsningar >>> Jan Ainali >>> >>> >>> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 19:20 skrev Ciell Wikipedia < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>> Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions! >>> >>> I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available >>> through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole >>> WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the >>> material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fchannel%2FUCkSFoxb3PIWx8b70HG3xyMQ&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974777109%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=u57%2FOeR2eYkLgeAkD2iyTYGJRwwQatelJuYGwEjHafw%3D&reserved=0> >>> channel, and I assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well. >>> >>> Today's sessions were: >>> * Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill) >>> * Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving) >>> * Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä) >>> * Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian experience >>> (Éder Port) >>> * Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a tool >>> to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley) >>> * Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder) >>> >>> I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to >>> thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition >>> at today's WikidataCon! 👍 >>> >>> Vriendelijke groet, >>> Ciell >>> >>> >>> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on WLM >>> today. The sessions have already started. The program schedule is here - >>> https://pretalx.com/wdcon21/schedule/#2021-10-30 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpretalx.com%2Fwdcon21%2Fschedule%2F%232021-10-30&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974787104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Bbp1pI4TDqlxkDyh%2BbOhppvZZz%2FwOQtbr2gQpieZiiY%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bodhisattwa >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974787104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Q%2B4ELft9V4%2FkG9hs9fXKsX4rvQLt359odcYJARZWdJc%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974797098%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=NBLshwr%2BIk6f%2Fipi6WGmAfunbJKZDIYjX2QD6cpB8c0%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974807093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0yj9WSGBAgQbt1L3evDPMHa7mTC9AYvFrwonL8Rm58I%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974817087%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VCeY4o3JSkZOFpWBWhbIaBa%2FQEvTAVjhivZBsQt3phY%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974817087%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VCeY4o3JSkZOFpWBWhbIaBa%2FQEvTAVjhivZBsQt3phY%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974827080%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=rk4p0jcJrE1YIN5LAeoMYocGe54GJinUvcUbplkR4iI%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected] > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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