Hi Maarten, I actually agree with Seddon. Our problem is not so much that we have almost all documents photographed, the problem is that the photographs often are of substandard quality, and every new edition of WLM would bring a large bunch of substandard photographs. Ideally, we would require (i) better quality or (ii) good quality, bigger size or (iii) different conditions (other location of the camera; winter vs summer; clear vs cloudy etc). However, I do not know how to formalize this and whether it can be formalized without repelling a lot of potential participants.
Best Yaroslav On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 5:11 PM Seddon <[email protected]> wrote: > It would still be good to reach 100% coverage so I wonder if it's worth > having a category for "best previously unphotographed" and then the one for > "best refresh" where the new photo must either tell a new story about an > monument with an existing photo, or must be a better overall composition > than the existing monument. > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2024, 14:25 Maarten Dammers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> As you probably know, Wiki Loves Monuments started in 2010 in the >> Netherlands, 2011 in Europe and 2012 worldwide (I was one of the main >> organizers for those years). We managed to get a lot of monuments >> photographed that didn't have a photo before. In the Netherlands we also >> got a large collection from the local heritage organization (see >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_Rijksdienst_voor_het_Cultureel_Erfgoed >> ). After that, we had some sequels in the Netherlands, but attention and >> numbers dropped as you can see at >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_in_the_Netherlands >> . >> >> In my opinion this is because Wiki Loves Monuments is suffering from the >> sequel problem: We keep repeating the same concept that worked really >> well in the past, but is a bit of a stale copy of what it used to be. >> Bit like movies where successful movies keep getting sequels. Of course >> this only applies to countries where WLM was done multiple times. >> >> Just like movie franchises that have become a bit stale, we can go back >> to our basis and reinvent ourselves. Our basis is at >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy >> : >> * Make it easy >> * Make it fun >> * Make it local >> * Help Wikipedia >> * Give quick and visible results >> >> The coverage in the Netherlands is currently 90%. So if you compare it >> to the first years: It's not easy to find something to photograph, not >> much fun finding it, probably not local (already done), it's hard to >> help Wikipedia because it already has a photo and no quick and visible >> results. >> >> I made a query at https://w.wiki/AGP5 to give a random sample of >> rijksmonumenten (monuments in the Netherlands) that have an image. >> Clicking through it I noticed that the majority of images (80%? 90%?) is >> of 10 years old. A lot has changed in 10 years: The monuments might have >> changed and camera quality improved a lot. So my idea for 2024: Let's >> focus on getting new images for monuments that currently have an old >> image. This would be like a reset where suddenly you'll have tons of >> monuments to photograph nearby. We would need to update some of our >> tooling to find monuments to photograph and to get them used, but let's >> worry about that later. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Maarten >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiLovesMonuments mailing list -- [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/2MPEXZ67BG3CXFH657LNYX7TTMZXFMVY/ >> >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> > _______________________________________________ > WikiLovesMonuments mailing list -- [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/XD72CTHTJOGIJYPB47HXKYEDWJTPRAP6/ > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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