Hi, For 2024, it's a bit too late already but I'm eager to hear ideas for 2025 (we actually talked a bit about it already in France)
In France, we are stuck around 80 % (like many countries according to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Statistics ) and the last 20 % are : - "recent" buildings still covered by copyright - inaccessible buildings (private properties, destroyed, etc.) I fear these 20 % are not really doable (and clearly it's neither easy nor fun) and it wouldn't make sense to focus on them. For re-photography, it's a great idea. Could we have something to have a list of monuments that need to be re-photographed? (old and small size for instance). Cheers, Nicolas <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Sans virus.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> Le dim. 2 juin 2024 à 17:58, Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]> a écrit : > Hi Maarten, > > I actually agree with Seddon. Our problem is not so much that we have > almost all documents photographed, the problem is that the photographs > often are of substandard quality, and every new edition of WLM would bring > a large bunch of substandard photographs. Ideally, we would require (i) > better quality or (ii) good quality, bigger size or (iii) different > conditions (other location of the camera; winter vs summer; clear vs cloudy > etc). However, I do not know how to formalize this and whether it can be > formalized without repelling a lot of potential participants. > > Best > Yaroslav > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 5:11 PM Seddon <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It would still be good to reach 100% coverage so I wonder if it's worth >> having a category for "best previously unphotographed" and then the one for >> "best refresh" where the new photo must either tell a new story about an >> monument with an existing photo, or must be a better overall composition >> than the existing monument. >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2024, 14:25 Maarten Dammers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> As you probably know, Wiki Loves Monuments started in 2010 in the >>> Netherlands, 2011 in Europe and 2012 worldwide (I was one of the main >>> organizers for those years). We managed to get a lot of monuments >>> photographed that didn't have a photo before. In the Netherlands we also >>> got a large collection from the local heritage organization (see >>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_Rijksdienst_voor_het_Cultureel_Erfgoed >>> ). After that, we had some sequels in the Netherlands, but attention and >>> numbers dropped as you can see at >>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_in_the_Netherlands >>> . >>> >>> In my opinion this is because Wiki Loves Monuments is suffering from the >>> sequel problem: We keep repeating the same concept that worked really >>> well in the past, but is a bit of a stale copy of what it used to be. >>> Bit like movies where successful movies keep getting sequels. Of course >>> this only applies to countries where WLM was done multiple times. >>> >>> Just like movie franchises that have become a bit stale, we can go back >>> to our basis and reinvent ourselves. Our basis is at >>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy >>> : >>> * Make it easy >>> * Make it fun >>> * Make it local >>> * Help Wikipedia >>> * Give quick and visible results >>> >>> The coverage in the Netherlands is currently 90%. So if you compare it >>> to the first years: It's not easy to find something to photograph, not >>> much fun finding it, probably not local (already done), it's hard to >>> help Wikipedia because it already has a photo and no quick and visible >>> results. >>> >>> I made a query at https://w.wiki/AGP5 to give a random sample of >>> rijksmonumenten (monuments in the Netherlands) that have an image. >>> Clicking through it I noticed that the majority of images (80%? 90%?) is >>> of 10 years old. A lot has changed in 10 years: The monuments might have >>> changed and camera quality improved a lot. So my idea for 2024: Let's >>> focus on getting new images for monuments that currently have an old >>> image. This would be like a reset where suddenly you'll have tons of >>> monuments to photograph nearby. We would need to update some of our >>> tooling to find monuments to photograph and to get them used, but let's >>> worry about that later. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Maarten >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikiLovesMonuments mailing list -- >>> [email protected] >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/2MPEXZ67BG3CXFH657LNYX7TTMZXFMVY/ >>> >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiLovesMonuments mailing list -- [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/XD72CTHTJOGIJYPB47HXKYEDWJTPRAP6/ >> >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > _______________________________________________ > WikiLovesMonuments mailing list -- [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/LQLRYUOLXBHB63Z7FDL5EEIGJI76OZMB/ > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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