And talking about devil in the details.. I added *some* details, last night to the checklist set up by Pheobe
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/checklist And this is less than 50% of what you need to *know* before you start. * Acting* is yet another story. M On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Moushira Elamrawy <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Harel, > > > Again, I'm not sure that the formality of a committee is a necessity, if >> that committee doesn't have a very clear role and is not put to optimal use. >> >> > > Exactly. Organizing Wikimania needs action. Will the committee act? ... > >> >> Currently, and please everyone correct me if I'm wrong, there's not even a >> single person on the WMF staff that can be considered such a point of >> contact. Names that come to mind include Cary, James Owen and Samuel Klein, >> but this is not the job definition of any of them. >> > If one or two people who have the proper background and the willingness to >> do it can somehow be assigned (by the board? by Sue?) to act as formal point >> of contact for the local teams, that IMHO is more effective than a big >> committee. >> >> That's what I meant when I brought up the name of Délphine and her role. > An experienced and executive person is required. I am not sure if you > personally know her. I was among the team of Wikimania2008, and definitly > someone of that role was required. Enthusiasm and some knowledge are > wonderful, but they don't get things done. The amount of details related to > organizing such a conference need experience and knowledge. > > Devil is in the details, so it takes another devil to watch out for them. > > I am unfortunately not going to make it to Poland in 2010, but I would be > more than happy to contribute in discussion/meetings from distant. > > Good luck in 2011 Harel > M > >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Moushira Elamrawy >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Yes, but just on a second though: The committee is a good idea as it will >>> advise, and discuss, but how is this committee *actin*g? Otherwise you >>> need a committee to oversee the committee. >>> You need someone who knows what to do when. Acting. That needs one or two >>> people, not necessarily a committee. I am not sure if the committee will get >>> things done, which is what is required. >>> >>> Thanks >>> M >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Jeromy-Yu Chan (Jerry~Yuyu) < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I do think it is a good idea >>>> >>>> as each Wikimania we have cope with things in similar situation >>>> though committee is not necessary >>>> but we should have better knowledge management and transfer mechanism >>>> >>>> anyway if really such committee will start >>>> I would like to be part of it >>>> >>>> Jerry~雨雨 >>>> Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan, ARAD >>>> User:Yuyu | zh.wikipedia | Wikimedia HK >>>> ChapCom, WMF | ComCom, WMF >>>> Blogger | http://jeromyu.wordpress.com >>>> MSN: [email protected] >>>> also Jeromyu on twitter, plurk and most of places >>>> >>>> Tel (Mobile): +852 9279 1601 >>>> Laudamus quae laudentur >>>> Qui mollis et dissolutus est in opere suo frater est sua opera >>>> dissipantis >>>> Non clamatis hostilia, numquam esse vos accusatoribus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:28, James Forrester >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 18 June 2010 08:00, phoebe ayers <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Michael Snow < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> On 6/17/2010 5:35 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >>>>> >>> OK, so I guess my question is (and we talked about this on IRC too) >>>>> -- >>>>> >>> who has the power or the ability -- or who *should*, in a perfect >>>>> >>> world -- create such a committee? We don't have much precedent for >>>>> >>> this. There were concerns over who or what body can create >>>>> >>> governance/oversight structures, particularly if this isn't really >>>>> >>> just a Foundation issue. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> I suppose the board could create the committee, if it's not clear >>>>> who >>>>> >> else might have the authority. Or perhaps better, the board could >>>>> >> authorize its creation. I think the board is a bit reluctant to jump >>>>> in, >>>>> >> partly for the reason Sue mentioned that overseeing Wikimania is not >>>>> >> really a board-level issue (it's primarily operational rather than >>>>> >> strategic), but also because the board is not well placed to fill >>>>> and >>>>> >> maintain committees like this. When it becomes a situation of >>>>> appointing >>>>> >> people none of us really knows, or feeling that there are probably >>>>> >> people we're not aware who ought to be recruited to a committee like >>>>> >> this, it's pretty uncomfortable to have that responsibility. But if >>>>> we >>>>> >> authorized the committee and then let the staff and experienced >>>>> >> Wikimania volunteers review applications or expressions of interest >>>>> to >>>>> >> join the committee, that might work out. That's kind of the >>>>> direction >>>>> >> things have moved in any case. Some of the early committees that >>>>> still >>>>> >> function have evolved to a place outside the board's immediate >>>>> activity, >>>>> >> and the current work of the governance committee is focused more on >>>>> >> structures needed to organize the board's own functions. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> --Michael Snow >>>>> > >>>>> > Yes, authorization seems right. I wouldn't really expect that the >>>>> > Board actually fill such a committee or even necessarily ask for >>>>> > direct reports. The question that came up in IRC though was where >>>>> > would such a committee derive its authority from (assuming it had any >>>>> > particular authority). Perhaps the answer for this is "it doesn't" >>>>> and >>>>> > simply fills a communication and reporting role that is currently >>>>> > lacking. Or perhaps (my ideal scenario) we come up with a way where >>>>> > the interested community grants it authority by building the >>>>> > structure, filling the seats, etc., and that is generally recognized. >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm interested in this case specifically of course, but I also am >>>>> > wondering more generally what the current state of affairs is for >>>>> > forming any sort of operational, community-driven committee. Of >>>>> course >>>>> > we're good at forming wikiprojects to do things that need doing, but >>>>> > for areas that also require overlap with things that the office works >>>>> > on, it seems tricky. >>>>> > >>>>> > Re: scheduling a time at wikimania for discussing this potential >>>>> > glorious wikimania committee: yes, let's. I wanted to have a reprise >>>>> > of the Future of Wikimania discussion from last year, anyway. How >>>>> > about Sunday? I'll volunteer to check with the 2011 team and other >>>>> > interested parties and schedule a time. This overlaps with Manuel's >>>>> > panel, too, but I think we need a dedicated time maybe. Stay tuned! >>>>> > >>>>> > -- phoebe >>>>> > >>>>> > p.s. if we get both James Owen AND James Forrester involved it will >>>>> be >>>>> > unstoppable. Powered by James^2. >>>>> >>>>> Pah. To disambiguate between the two of us, I will allow people to >>>>> refer to me as "God-Prince James", per Jimmy. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> James. No, the other one. >>>>> -- >>>>> James D. Forrester >>>>> [email protected] | [email protected] >>>>> [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> >
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