Thanks for the extensive explanation, and as someone who's helped with Wikimania video in the past, I absolutely feel your pain and commend you for doing what you have so far.
Downloading from YouTube violates their TOS, though you'll notice people do it all the time. -Andrew -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: [email protected] WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Deryck Chan <[email protected]> wrote: > No. We figured that uploading to YouTube is the only way we can get all > the videos out before Wikimania 2014. > > (Longer, more technical answer follows) > We performed a series of pilot tests in December and early January and > found two main technical problems with uploading the videos from Hong Kong > to Commons. > > The first one is bandwidth. We have about 1TB of video footage. Because > Hong Kong is on the opposite side of the planet from the WMF datacenters, > we can only eke out an average speed of 50kB/s even on a "fast" connection > in Hong Kong. At that rate it'll take 250 computer-days (plus extra time > cost due to errors etc) of non-stop uploading to get it done. We don't have > that many dedicated volunteers who are willing to donate that much machine > time. In contrast, we can get an average speed of 500kB/s uploading to > YouTube because they have a local node in Hong Kong. Enoch Tam (aka. "ET", > many of you will remember him for all the errands he ran at Wikimania) and > myself are donating all our machine idle time to the task, so we're > confident it'll be done in less than a month. > > The second challenge is rendering. YouTube isn't just a video CDN; it is a > combined rendering and distribution service. The footage we got from SocRec > is in unedited 2-4GB chunks of M2T and MTS files, which Commons cannot > handle. Uploading to Commons would require the use of rendering software > (and a lot of computing) to convert and edit them to OGV. This requires a > further amount of volunteer dedication, video-editing software, and > computing power which we don't have. The strategy at the moment is that we > upload the raw footage to YouTube, then edit them into sessions using > YouTube's browser video editor. > > To see the details and progress of what we're doing, see > https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Video_upload . > > We did contemplate, at one point about two weeks ago, that we shouldn't > even attempt to upload the videos from Hong Kong, and just mail the 2TB > external HDD with the raw footage to WMF or WMUK. Now that Andrew pointed > out that downloading and keeping a copy of YouTube videos violates their > TOS regardless of licence, I guess we could've just given up back then. I > guess the best course of action now is that we continue uploading and > editing the videos on YouTube. If someone at WMF or WMUK is willing to > render and edit the videos again from scratch, we'll send them the HDD > after we're done here. > > Deryck > > > On 20 Jan 2014 23:19, "Andrew Lih" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Any plans to upload them to Commons or Internet Archive, or is >> this something we can get volunteers to help with? >> >> The only reason is that in general, downloading and keeping videos from >> YouTube violates their terms of service. Even if they are CC licensed. >> >> Thanks. >> -Andrew >> >> >> -Andrew Lih >> Associate professor of journalism, American University >> Email: [email protected] >> WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com >> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com >> PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Deryck Chan <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Good evening Wikimaniacs! >>> >>> We now have a distributed effort by multiple volunteers in Hong Kong to >>> upload all the video footage from Wikimania 2013 onto YouTube. If you gave >>> a presentation or workshop at Wikimania (and haven't requested that we >>> don't video you), keep an eye on WMHK's YouTube channel: >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaHK >>> >>> The plan is that all videos will be available by the end of February. >>> >>> We'd be grateful if you can watch your video and see if there are any >>> defects, because we can't watch every second of the uploaded videos to >>> check them! >>> >>> Deryck >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >>
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