I thought I could, until I realised that the closing ceremony has never been broadcast on livestream! On 5 Feb 2014 15:07, "Alan C Y Lai" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Deryck, > > Thanks for your great job! > > For the closing ceremony, do you think you can recover from Livestream? > > Best regards, > Alan Lai > Sent on the road > > > ---- Deryck Chan wrote ---- > > Hello Wikimaniacs again! > > We've uploaded and released all the available Wikimania 2013 videos onto > WMHK's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/wikimediahk > > The submission pages now have links to the videos on YouTube. The videos > can also be searched on YouTube by name of lead author or title of > presentation; some titles have been modified to fit the title length limit. > > A few sessions' footage (including the closing ceremony, unfortunately) > are corrupt and couldn't be recovered. In a few other sessions, somebody > accidentally turned off or forgot to turn on the camera, so only part of > the session was recorded; these incomplete videos were uploaded anyway. > > Next step: > We have two 2TB HDDs, each containing a complete copy of the footage (one > of them also has the corrupted footage fragments). We are happy to mail > them to someone at WMF or a European / North American chapter so they can > process the footage, re-render it (and improve the audio quality!), and > upload them to Commons. > > Deryck > > PS. Thanks Enoch Tam and Walter Wan who contributed to the uploading work! > > > On 21 January 2014 13:05, Andrew Lih <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks for the extensive explanation, and as someone who's helped with >> Wikimania video in the past, I absolutely feel your pain and commend you >> for doing what you have so far. >> >> Downloading from YouTube violates their TOS, though you'll notice people >> do it all the time. >> >> -Andrew >> >> >> -Andrew Lih >> Associate professor of journalism, American University >> Email: [email protected] >> WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com >> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com >> PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Deryck Chan <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> No. We figured that uploading to YouTube is the only way we can get all >>> the videos out before Wikimania 2014. >>> >>> (Longer, more technical answer follows) >>> We performed a series of pilot tests in December and early January and >>> found two main technical problems with uploading the videos from Hong Kong >>> to Commons. >>> >>> The first one is bandwidth. We have about 1TB of video footage. Because >>> Hong Kong is on the opposite side of the planet from the WMF datacenters, >>> we can only eke out an average speed of 50kB/s even on a "fast" connection >>> in Hong Kong. At that rate it'll take 250 computer-days (plus extra time >>> cost due to errors etc) of non-stop uploading to get it done. We don't have >>> that many dedicated volunteers who are willing to donate that much machine >>> time. In contrast, we can get an average speed of 500kB/s uploading to >>> YouTube because they have a local node in Hong Kong. Enoch Tam (aka. "ET", >>> many of you will remember him for all the errands he ran at Wikimania) and >>> myself are donating all our machine idle time to the task, so we're >>> confident it'll be done in less than a month. >>> >>> The second challenge is rendering. YouTube isn't just a video CDN; it is >>> a combined rendering and distribution service. The footage we got from >>> SocRec is in unedited 2-4GB chunks of M2T and MTS files, which Commons >>> cannot handle. Uploading to Commons would require the use of rendering >>> software (and a lot of computing) to convert and edit them to OGV. This >>> requires a further amount of volunteer dedication, video-editing software, >>> and computing power which we don't have. The strategy at the moment is that >>> we upload the raw footage to YouTube, then edit them into sessions using >>> YouTube's browser video editor. >>> >>> To see the details and progress of what we're doing, see >>> https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Video_upload . >>> >>> We did contemplate, at one point about two weeks ago, that we shouldn't >>> even attempt to upload the videos from Hong Kong, and just mail the 2TB >>> external HDD with the raw footage to WMF or WMUK. Now that Andrew pointed >>> out that downloading and keeping a copy of YouTube videos violates their >>> TOS regardless of licence, I guess we could've just given up back then. I >>> guess the best course of action now is that we continue uploading and >>> editing the videos on YouTube. If someone at WMF or WMUK is willing to >>> render and edit the videos again from scratch, we'll send them the HDD >>> after we're done here. >>> >>> Deryck >>> >>> >>> On 20 Jan 2014 23:19, "Andrew Lih" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Any plans to upload them to Commons or Internet Archive, or is >>>> this something we can get volunteers to help with? >>>> >>>> The only reason is that in general, downloading and keeping videos from >>>> YouTube violates their terms of service. Even if they are CC licensed. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> -Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> -Andrew Lih >>>> Associate professor of journalism, American University >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com >>>> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com >>>> PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Deryck Chan <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good evening Wikimaniacs! >>>>> >>>>> We now have a distributed effort by multiple volunteers in Hong Kong >>>>> to upload all the video footage from Wikimania 2013 onto YouTube. If you >>>>> gave a presentation or workshop at Wikimania (and haven't requested that >>>>> we >>>>> don't video you), keep an eye on WMHK's YouTube channel: >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaHK >>>>> >>>>> The plan is that all videos will be available by the end of February. >>>>> >>>>> We'd be grateful if you can watch your video and see if there are any >>>>> defects, because we can't watch every second of the uploaded videos to >>>>> check them! >>>>> >>>>> Deryck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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