Thanks Ed. Since I know your team has thought a lot about who you want to attract: a restating of Lodewijk's Q: how do you expect your pricing to influence who attends, from the city / region / around the world? On Mar 23, 2014 9:24 AM, "Edward Saperia" <[email protected]> wrote:
> A word from the trenches; > > I am very keen to keep Wikimania prices low. It's not quite decided yet, > but I think our ticket prices will be less than $100, which compared to any > conference of comparable size is absurdly low; it would be worth buying a > ticket for the catering alone. It's not unusual for large conferences to > cost fifty times this. > > However, for the past six months a significant amount of the (volunteer) > Wikimania team's time has been dedicated to fundraising, so there is a cost > to this. > > *Edward Saperia* > Chief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org> > email <[email protected]> * facebook<http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia> > * twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> * 07796955572 > 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG > > > On 23 March 2014 22:03, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: > >> As Wikimedia movement, we have the luxury to approach this question >> backwards. Instead of thinking about how we will pay for the event (we have >> many sponsorship opportunities and even a good amount of donations), we can >> look at who we would want to attend the event. We could design our pricing >> system such to accommodate that. >> >> So, maybe we should first answer that question - what would our ideal >> attendance look like? >> >> Best, >> Lodewijk >> >> >> 2014-03-23 13:48 GMT+01:00 maarten deneckere < >> [email protected]>: >> >>> Two general thoughts that I think are important. >>> Firstly, most attendees will pay the conference fee themselves. You >>> cannot compare with the general conference where those (high) fees are paid >>> by the university or company of the attendee. >>> >>> Secondly, selection of Wikimania 2015 location is a voting process with >>> the public, as such bidders will try to keep to conference fees as low as >>> possible. >>> >>> I personally support Chan's "four group" hierarchy: Non-Wikimedian >>> price, Wikimedian price, Partial scholarship, Full scholarship, and his >>> hesitance to raise general prices. >>> >>> Maarten >>> Wikimania Cape >>> Town<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_bids/Cape_Town> >>> >>> >>> 2014-03-23 2:54 GMT+01:00 Deryck Chan <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Wikimania indeed has a tradition of setting artificially low entry >>>> prices for the reasons Nicholas described earlier in this thread. Of >>>> course, there's nothing to stop Wikimania 2014 from raising ticket prices. >>>> I should remind though that until 2013 we basically have a hierarchy of 4 >>>> ticket prices: >>>> >>>> 1. Non-Wikimedian price: supposedly the full cost (but is still >>>> effectively slightly subsidised) >>>> 2. Wikimedian price: substantially subsidised entry and food, for those >>>> who've paid a lot to travel to the venue from the other side of the world >>>> 3. Partial scholarship: for those who can almost / just about afford to >>>> attend Wikimania on their own budget, but would use up their savings unless >>>> their air travel was subsidised. The partial scholarship encourages them to >>>> go to *more* Wikimanias. >>>> 4. Full scholarship (for those who simply can't afford Wikimania) >>>> >>>> In 2014, the partial scholarship is removed, so I would hesitate to >>>> raise the Wikimedian ticket prices, lest we disincentivise "medium-income" >>>> Wikimedians (particularly students) from attending. However, by all means >>>> consider raising the non-Wikimedian price, or even have a "donor price" >>>> (full cost + £100, say?) with a shiny badge to let generous attendees pay >>>> more! >>>> >>>> Deryck >>>> >>>> Deryck >>>> On 23 Mar 2014 08:07, "Charles Gregory" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My impression was that the prices took into account that (a) most >>>>> members of the Wikimedia community are volunteers (b) most attendees have >>>>> paid many hundreds, if not thousands of US$ in airfares/accommodation >>>>> costs >>>>> to attend, on top of the ticket price. Volunteers also have to use up >>>>> their own annual leave (or forgo wages) if their Wikimedia activities are >>>>> not on behalf of their employer. >>>>> >>>>> You could get away with having separate rates. The other conference I >>>>> have experience with, Linux.conf.au, has rates which differ by almost >>>>> an order of magnitude: Professional $899, Hobbyist $399, Student $99. >>>>> (These prices are Australian dollars, which is approx USD +/- 10%) (IMHO >>>>> the Hobbyist rate here is still a bit high for a volunteer.) This >>>>> conference is, however, a major source of income for Linux Australia, >>>>> whereas Wikimania is indirectly supported by donations to WMF. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Nicholas Bashour < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> For Wikimania 2012, I remember that we wanted to make sure the >>>>>> largest number of people could attend. DC was an expensive enough city >>>>>> that >>>>>> we felt if registration prices were too high, it may discourage some of >>>>>> the >>>>>> people who didn't get scholarships from attending. >>>>>> >>>>>> That being said, there's no reason why future Wikimanias shouldn't >>>>>> offer various pricing options, like higher "individual sponsorship" >>>>>> registration for those who want to sponsor on a smaller level, student >>>>>> registration, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Nicholas Michael Bashour >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> > Am 22.03.2014 um 19:21 schrieb Samuel Klein <[email protected]>: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Proposed prices for Wikimania tickets continue to seem artificially >>>>>> > low. I'm not sure what the benefit to this is. Could people who >>>>>> have >>>>>> > run events in other contexts comment on how you set ticket prices? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > In my experience, tickets are set at roughly what it costs for each >>>>>> > person to attend. Then there may be different sorts of tickets: for >>>>>> > local supporters & volunteers, for school groups, for students & >>>>>> > community members, presenters, VIPs & sponsors. Sponsorship helps >>>>>> > ensure how many tickets of each type there are. Last-minute tickets >>>>>> > are more expensive. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > This has a few benefits: >>>>>> > * tickets fully cover the cost of food and materials >>>>>> > * tickets contribute significantly to covering the cost of the event >>>>>> > * scholarships and reimbursements for attendance (for scholars, >>>>>> > professionals, academics all getting covered by their home >>>>>> > institutions), in paying for tickets, cover the full cost of those >>>>>> > people attending the event. >>>>>> > * more accurate headcounts in advance. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Warmly, >>>>>> > Sam >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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