There are several issues I want to comment: 1-First of all. Do you have permission from Gerard to publish your conversation? Maybe there is something confidential in it, Did you care to check? 2- Scholarship is not award or trophy, bear that in mind. 3- People are expected to come here and learn, communicate, etc. that's why a same person gets scholarship, 4- No one's wife got scholarship because of being wife of someone. They probably are prominent contributors too. 5- Check my first question and answer that. (Emphasizing)
Best On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:05 AM Osmar Valdebenito < b1mbo.wikipe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry, but when I read "No regular Wikimedian get any scholarship", I > stopped reading. > It is not only a lie, but also very unfair to all the extremely great > Wikimedians that attended and made great contributions in Wikimania, and > also the volunteers that have helped now and in the past reviewing and > evaluated thousand of applications in the Scholarship Committee. > > 2015-07-30 16:16 GMT-03:00 praveenp <me.prav...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> [ Since my question was repeatedly handled as my desperation of inability >> to achieve the scholarship, I had to wait until Wikimania finished. :-) And >> also this is not about someone going to Wikimanias again and again, it >> is about granting Wikimania scholarships to same persons again and again] >> >> I hope I could ask some questions directly: >> >> * Why scholarship committee selecting same persons again and again for >> years? >> * What are the advantages to local community / Wikimedia of having a >> "permanent" Wikimania scholarship holder? >> * Why no regular Wikimedian get any scholarship, eventhough a developer's >> wife got scholarships in multiple years even without any kind of >> significant contributions? >> * Is this scholarship committee solely depend on the "selling point" >> provided by the applicant? >> * Even now none of the Wikimanians shared anything with our community >> about Wikimania, we even didn't see them anywhere near wikis. Did they >> attend the Wikimania? How could we get their contributions to the Mania? >> >> A slightly elaborated conversation is attached below (direction: bottom >> to top), I got no clarity even after that. Please help. >> >> Thanks and Regards, >> Praveen P >> User:Praveenp (ml.wp, commons, translatewiki) >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >> Date: 4 May 2015 at 11:17 >> Subject: Re: Wikimania Scholarship >> To: praveenp <me.prav...@gmail.com> >> >> >> Hoi, >> I know the WMF, it does not pull pranks like that to the best of my >> knowledge. I would not even be surprised that there is a ticket for the >> exact issue that you highlighted. (I am not looking for one, I have >> interest). My point is again, it is NOT about having great language skills, >> it is not about how often someone went. It is about how much of a >> difference you may make at the conference. Preparing a speech is the way I >> have done it and so can you. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 4 May 2015 at 07:16, praveenp <me.prav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My point is not about someone going to Wikimanias again and again, it is >>> about *Wikimania scholarships are granted to same persons again and >>> again*. According to your argument persons with better language skill >>> would be granted scholarship, and there is nothing wrong with it. IMO that >>> is against Wikimedia philosophy and ethics. A scholarship committee is for >>> assessing applicants through various ways. If they solely depend the >>> "selling" point given by the applicant, there shouldn't be this scholarship >>> committee :-). >>> >>> Consider this private post by me (I've added you), which is about a >>> server error in application[1]: >>> https://plus.google.com/+praveenp/posts/XtB1b9fmqcZ >>> This roughly translates as, "I tried to apply Wikimania Scholarship, >>> even server told me - F*** you". It was 19 January, and I was pretty sure >>> that I wouldn't get any scholarship. I saw couple of other similar posts >>> sharing same feeling. We are not Nostradamus :-) but we just know. And also >>> it did happen just as we expected. >>> >>> I doubted that whether this should be shared or not (As you've >>> clarified, this can easily be marked as inability to achieve scholarship). >>> But on second thought, if this happened on ml.wikipedia, this would >>> happened on every other projects. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Praveen. P >>> User:Praveenp >>> >>> [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87182 >>> >>> >>> On Sunday 03 May 2015 02:02 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>> >>> Hoi, >>> I have been to many Wikimanias myself. At every one of them I gave a >>> presentation and I made it a point to have an idea of what it is that I >>> achieved while being there. Your point is that the same people have been >>> there, that is in and of itself not so relevant. It is what they achieved, >>> it is how they networked. When people are known to be good at that, you >>> will find that they often return to Wikimania. >>> >>> This year I do not have the bandwidth to go to Wikimania so I did not >>> apply, I did not prepare a presentation even though it is trivially easy >>> for me to do so. >>> >>> When you want to go to Wikimania, make sure that you are clear why you >>> want to go, what you intend to achieve and make that obvious. That is why >>> you may be selected for a grant. There is no justification in all the good >>> work that you do when you cannot or do not express how going to Wikimania >>> makes a difference. >>> >>> You have to sell this idea. There is no point in comparing yourself with >>> others. They hope to achieve what they hope to achieve.. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 3 May 2015 at 09:57, praveenp <me.prav...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> It is hard for me to digest that scholarship committee is selecting >>>> same persons again and again for last 6 or 7 years. I just put myself as an >>>> example but I am sure there were many others have applied. :-) >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Praveen. P >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday 03 May 2015 01:16 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> Good to hear from you.. There are no policies except for the ones that >>>> you know of as well. Obviously it makes a difference when you are able to >>>> sell the reason why you should go to Wikimania. If someone does a better >>>> job than you ... what can I say. >>>> >>>> The most obvious and easy way to get in is to submit proposals for a >>>> talk, a workshop or anything else that shows that you want to achieve >>>> something.. >>>> Hope that helps :) >>>> Have fun >>>> Gerard >>>> >>>> On 3 May 2015 at 09:38, praveenp <me.prav...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I don't know whether you are the right person but I truly believe you >>>>> may have some ideas to answer my doubt :-) If I remember correctly, I did >>>>> apply Wikimania scholarship last couple of years but never got one. :-( >>>>> However every year User:Viswaprabha got scholarship even with his minimal >>>>> wiki contributions. I know he is a great e-mail generator, but other than >>>>> that I really wish to know whether there are any policies which restrict >>>>> new people from getting scholarship. >>>>> >>>>> As you may know I translate Mediawiki, edit Wikipedia articles, file >>>>> bugs, translate and contribute to commons, actively participate >>>>> discussions >>>>> (mostly as devils advocate :-) ) etc.. None of it never counts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Praveen. P >>>>> User:Praveenp >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >
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