Can we move on to something else ? Concerns have been raised, answers have been given. If there are needs for more clarification can it happens in more private emails ?
2015-07-31 14:09 GMT+02:00 Stuart Prior <stuartpriorw...@gmail.com>: > Nicholas, > > Yes it's a fair point. I can't speak for previous committees, but I know > this year we did take it into account when reviewing applications. > > But in any community there will be a few consistently excellent people > that make a good case to justify support year on year. As the scholarship > committee rotates members, and I made sure to avoid having members mark > those they had more personal connections with, I hope we were as objective > as we could be. > > I could go on, but I'll leave it there. However I'd just like to reiterate > that the scholarship process does not exclude "regular Wikimedians" in the > slightest, quite the opposite. > > Best > > Stuart Prior > User:Battleofalma > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Nicholas Bashour < > nicholasbash...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I believe that what Praveen may be saying is that he thinks the value >> that a repeat scholarship recipient can gain from coming back to wikimania >> numerous times is outweighed by the value that someone who has never been >> to wikimania but has nevertheless been a very involved wikimedian can gain >> from attending. Therefore, given that there are limited resources, >> scholarships should always go to the people who can gain the most from >> receiving them, which Praveen may be arguing will always be someone who has >> never been to wikimania versus someone who has. He's saying that despite >> having many repeat scholarship recipients, there has not been any added >> value on wiki to justify that, and therefore new recipients should be >> actively prioritized over repeat ones. That's not to say whether or not >> that's actually the case or that this was the point he was trying to >> convey, but rather what I understood his argument to be. >> >> Best, >> >> Nicholas >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Am 31.07.2015 um 07:39 schrieb Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexf...@gmail.com >> >: >> >> I just want to know why some users were able to achieve scholarship again >>> and again while regular Wikimedians being excluded. >>> >> >> And that is EXACTLY what Stuart explained. I understood, unless you >> didn't! >> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> On Friday 31 July 2015 04:01 PM, Stuart Prior wrote: >>> >>> Praveen, >>> >>> I was chair of the Scholarship Committee for this year. >>> >>> It's unfortunate that you didn't get a scholarship, however there were >>> many high quality applications and sometimes the difference between success >>> and failure is very small, and I feel genuinely bad for any Wikimedian with >>> a good application that didn't make it, but it's very competitive. >>> >>> We do take into account previous scholarship awards, and focus on making >>> sure new people get a chance. But consistently good applications and >>> excellent work can warrant repeat scholarship awards despite this. >>> >>> In some cases where people have been granted Scholarships previously but >>> have been unable to attend the conference due to visa issues we have >>> considered that when receiving their applications for the current year. >>> >>> I won't comment on any individual's scholarship, but "regular >>> Wikimedians" certainly make up the bulk of the scholars. Edit count is not >>> the only factor, but it still is a significant (and clearly verifiable) >>> factor when looking at someone's application. >>> >>> However, we looked for organisers too. Some of our community are better >>> facilitators and community builders than they are editors, and running >>> events, training and building partnerships are things that were marked >>> favourably. >>> >>> Moreover, two identical applicants can make wildly differing >>> applications. We look for those that comprehensively demonstrate their >>> contributions and qualify their statements. >>> >>> Please apply again next year. You have just as much opportunity as >>> anyone else. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Stuart Prior >>> User:Battleofalma >>> >>> On 31 July 2015 at 09:16, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Praveen, >>>> >>>> I've been a steward, as well as the chair of the FDC for three years, >>>> so you may assume I've been somewhat active in Wikimedia movement. I did >>>> not receive a global scholarship neither (although I did eventually go, as >>>> I got elected to the Board of Trustees). >>>> >>>> I think it is clearly an assumption of bad faith to say that there is a >>>> bias in scholarship committee. The criteria are explicit, and obviously >>>> with limited resources a large number of excellent candidates, even with >>>> accepted presentations, will not make it. >>>> >>>> I would suggest you focus on Wikimedia activity, prepare a great >>>> presentation for the next year as well as a compelling application, and try >>>> again. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> DJ "pundit" >>>> 31 lip 2015 10:07 "praveenp" <me.prav...@gmail.com> napisał(a): >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Please don't derail the actual topic of the thread. I really didnt >>>>> assume such an interpretation from quoting his words. Whenever I asked >>>>> about the issue to anybody, I generally got such a reply, which I want to >>>>> avoid here. >>>>> >>>>> If it is need to start a new thread, I will do that. :-) >>>>> >>>>> But please tell me why some people regularly get scholarships atleast >>>>> since 2008, active (in Wikimedia projects / outreach programms) users >>>>> never >>>>> get a chance to share their experience and problems at Wikimania. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Praveen. P >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday 31 July 2015 12:40 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Praveen, >>>>> >>>>> Whether there was anything personal or confidential in Gerard's >>>>> private emails to you is for him to say not for you to decide. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 05:59, praveenp <me.prav...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Osmar Valdebenito, >>>>> No offense was intended :-(. For prominent communities that may be >>>>> true, but could you check list of users who got scholarship from Malayalam >>>>> community. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Amir Ladsgroup, >>>>> >>>>> 1) As you can see there is nothing confidential or personal in Gerards >>>>> reply. He just gave a summary of "known" practices. >>>>> 2) Users are not asking for trophies. They also want to participate >>>>> Wikimania and share and get the experience. >>>>> 3) Wikimedia projects are community processes. I simply don't >>>>> understand how granting scholarship to same persons again and again for >>>>> five or six years help that process. I also dont understand that >>>>> communication and sharing of multiple viewpoints, ideas and practices is >>>>> possible in the above scenario. >>>>> 4) Yes; If clicking tick marks in translatewiki on some 500 string in >>>>> 5 minutes before applying for scholarship (as reviewing the translation) >>>>> is >>>>> a prominent contribution. >>>>> >>>>> In the beginning every body treated equal, we have multiple >>>>> participants (with understandable reasons) for Wikimania. It started to >>>>> shrink later and now people plainly believe granting scholarship is an act >>>>> of favoritism. I also want to prove I am wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Praveen. P >>>>> User:Praveenp >>>>> >>>>> PS: Mail striped because mailman held my previous reply claiming " >>>>> Message body is too big:" >>>>> >>>>> On Friday 31 July 2015 05:03 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There are several issues I want to comment: >>>>> 1-First of all. Do you have permission from Gerard to publish your >>>>> conversation? Maybe there is something confidential in it, Did you care to >>>>> check? >>>>> 2- Scholarship is not award or trophy, bear that in mind. >>>>> 3- People are expected to come here and learn, communicate, etc. >>>>> that's why a same person gets scholarship, >>>>> 4- No one's wife got scholarship because of being wife of someone. >>>>> They probably are prominent contributors too. >>>>> 5- Check my first question and answer that. (Emphasizing) >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:05 AM Osmar Valdebenito < >>>>> b1mbo.wikipe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but when I read "No regular Wikimedian get any scholarship", I >>>>>> stopped reading. >>>>>> It is not only a lie, but also very unfair to all the extremely great >>>>>> Wikimedians that attended and made great contributions in Wikimania, and >>>>>> also the volunteers that have helped now and in the past reviewing and >>>>>> evaluated thousand of applications in the Scholarship Committee. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing >>>>> listWikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing >>> listWikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> +Rexford <http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford> | khophi.co >> <http://khophi.co/about> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > -- Pierre-Selim
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