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On 19/07/2016, Christophe Henner <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've learned along the road that often people don't ask question because
> they don't dare bother people, especially people they look up to sometime.
>
> The best way to tackle that is to create a situation designed to answer
> those questions. I don't know in terms of timing, but from now on, the
> Wikimania Committee could hold a private training session for the next
> Wikimania Team every year at the Wikimedia Conference (or another event if
> there's one better in terms of timing).
>
> That way you make sure that basic training / informations are provided to
> the new team, you create a working relationship between the team and the
> committee, etc.
>
> Christophe
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Edward Saperia <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Ed: Yes, my suggestion was more or less what Harry described, a lot more
>>> informal than the Committee and able to answer more practical questions.
>>>
>>
>> The committee is mostly just the previous organisers. Any way you cut it,
>> it'll still be the same people. The committee can and does answer
>> practical
>> questions, but it seems the kind of people who step up to do Wikimanias
>> don't tend to need it that much.
>>
>> I expect the main issue is variable levels of commitment/ownership in the
>> organising team.
>>
>> *Edward Saperia*
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>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 5:58 AM, Chris Keating <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Ellie! Sounds like a very productive step!
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Ellie Young <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Chris Keating <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well this thread turned out bigger (and much more productive) than I
>>>>>> expected!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> To my mind, Wikimania continuing to happen every year is a minor
>>>>>> miracle, and one that's only possible with the hard work and
>>>>>> dedication of
>>>>>> lots of people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, it's a miracle that isn't without its problems. The most
>>>>>> obvious problem to my mind is that there is a very mixed quality of
>>>>>> actual
>>>>>> conference programme, and without clear objectives (or at least not
>>>>>> consistent objectives). The Wikimedia Conference, by contrast, has a
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> clearer alignment of the programme with a set of goals, and work
>>>>>> happens to
>>>>>> follow up before and after the conference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second problem is that the responsibilities for governance and
>>>>>> management of the conference are really very unclear. We have the
>>>>>> Wikimania
>>>>>> Committee, we have the local team (and in some cases a local chapter
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> may or may not be working closely with the bid team), we have the
>>>>>> Programme
>>>>>> Committee and we have the WMF. (Actually we have the WMF at least
>>>>>> twice, as
>>>>>> the priorities of the WMF team involved in organising the conference
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> always seem to align with those of the rest of the organisation).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my view, the most useful thing for all these groups to do is to
>>>>>> work out who is actually responsible for what, and document it, in
>>>>>> public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> T
>>>>> ​his is an excellent suggestion.  It is not unclear to me how things
>>>>> work having been involved with coordination among the various 'players'
>>>>> for
>>>>> the past few years.  The Handbook is out of date as well.   So I will
>>>>> take
>>>>> an action item to start revising this and making it clearer to
>>>>> everyone
>>>>> about the structure, organization, etc for the community at large.
>>>>> This
>>>>> is especially necessary as we move forward with next steps for 2018 in
>>>>> the
>>>>> coming months (working on this with WMF and Committee so we are all in
>>>>> alignment about the future, and we can better enable  prospective
>>>>> future
>>>>> hosts/organizers to engage with us.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
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