I was appalled to read that there are such crazy laws against LGBT individuals!

However I should point out that one need not be LGBT to be challenged in terms of safety at a conference venue: I was shouted at in Malpensa airport right after Wikimania 2016, in the presence of a WMF employee who did nothing to stop the shouting, by a Wikimedian who should be a "role model" for his community (given all the authorities he has been conceded); the WMF totally backed the offender and decided that despite my feeling harassed, hurt, intimidated and frustrated, no action need be taken.

[Needless to say I don't put up with hypocrisy and if you ever see me again at a Wikimania or other Wikimedia event it will not be on a WMF scholarship (I've received three). If the WMF supports such unacceptable behavior I want nothing to do with it: I remain faithful to the movement and the movement only, it being by the people for the people.]


Read my full report about the encounter here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:TPS/Saintfevrier/Wikimania/2016/Report (also check out the last paragraph in the Grants tab)


Best of luck in your endeavors to find a safe venue for upcoming Wikimanias and do not tolerate harassment in any form, from anyone. Keep us posted.


Best wishes,


Mina (User:Saintfevrier)

Kefalonia, Greece



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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 10:26:56 -0700
From: Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>
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Hi Pax,

My understanding is that WMF is doing a strategic review of Wikimania. If
that is correct, considerations like the ones you raise about location
could be included in the scope of that review. I'm pinging Ellie with the
hope that she can provide information about the status of WMF's thinking
about Wikimania, perhaps in a new thread. Wikimania involves significant
amounts of time and money, and I am hoping that WMF will develop ways to
align Wikimania with WMF and community strategic goals.

Pine

On Oct 16, 2016 08:10, "Pax Ahimsa Gethen" <list-wikime...@funcrunch.org>
wrote:

Hello all. I had a positive experience at WikiConference North America
last weekend, where I gave a talk on transgender issues and Wikipedia.[1]
I'm posting because there's an active discussion in Wikipedia Weekly on
Facebook about choosing a host country for Wikimania 2018.[2] I am
concerned that some of the suggestions are not taking into account the
safety of LGBT+ people; not just those attending the conference, but also
those living in the host country.

As a queer trans atheist in a same-sex marriage, there are a number of
places where I am considered a criminal for just existing or going about my daily routine. This applies to some parts of the U.S. as well, by the way;
I won't be visiting North Carolina as long as it's illegal for me to use
the men's restroom there. Please keep these considerations in mind when
planning meetups and conferences. Thank you.

- Pax aka Funcrunch

[1] http://funcrunch.org/blog/2016/10/12/making-connections-at-
wikiconference-north-america/

[2] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/
1114259788621851/

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We talked about this in the LGBT meetup in Wikimania several times. As far
as I remember it is a huge concern for coordinators and Wikimania committee when considering a bid for Wikimania. IIRC, there are several examples that
situation of LGBT laws was a reason to reject a bid.

So I assure you Wikimania committee is aware of these issues and keeps this
in their mind when deciding on bids. (I must note I'm not in these
committees. I talked about it with them before as a member of Wikimedia
LGBT)

I'm really saddened by the stupid laws made by ignorance of people. Let's
laugh at it and then educate them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvCh3EQv1Q :)

Best

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 8:57 PM Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pax,

My understanding is that WMF is doing a strategic review of Wikimania. If
that is correct, considerations like the ones you raise about location
could be included in the scope of that review. I'm pinging Ellie with the
hope that she can provide information about the status of WMF's thinking
about Wikimania, perhaps in a new thread. Wikimania involves significant
amounts of time and money, and I am hoping that WMF will develop ways to
align Wikimania with WMF and community strategic goals.

Pine

On Oct 16, 2016 08:10, "Pax Ahimsa Gethen" <list-wikime...@funcrunch.org>
wrote:

Hello all. I had a positive experience at WikiConference North America
last weekend, where I gave a talk on transgender issues and Wikipedia.[1]
I'm posting because there's an active discussion in Wikipedia Weekly on
Facebook about choosing a host country for Wikimania 2018.[2] I am
concerned that some of the suggestions are not taking into account the
safety of LGBT+ people; not just those attending the conference, but also
those living in the host country.

As a queer trans atheist in a same-sex marriage, there are a number of
places where I am considered a criminal for just existing or going about my daily routine. This applies to some parts of the U.S. as well, by the way;
I won't be visiting North Carolina as long as it's illegal for me to use
the men's restroom there. Please keep these considerations in mind when
planning meetups and conferences. Thank you.

- Pax aka Funcrunch

[1]
http://funcrunch.org/blog/2016/10/12/making-connections-at-wikiconference-north-america/

[2]
https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/1114259788621851/

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This is a follow-up to a posting to this list by the Wikimania Committee in
July soliciting proposals for people who might be interested in hosting a
future Wikimania (especially 2018 and 2019), as follows:

​"> We are now looking for proposals of teams and locations. This is not a

bidding process; we are keen for this to be a light-weight, simple request
for suggestions. You don’t need to have a venue locked down, contracts
drafted or sponsors lined up. You can have a quick look at the “judging
criteria” which were used for 2016,[2] but the key part is commitment. In
deciding where to hold conferences, we have to take into account additional
factors about potential sites such as cost,

accessibility, and security.
​">
I will be following up with various people who have expressed interest in
the coming week.  If anyone  else is interested in discussing the
possibilities (the team/prospective host need not be tied to a particular
venue), please get in touch with me directly by October 30, 2016.    We
will be working with the WM
​F
in the coming months in finalizing a venue/team for 2018, and we also want
to get an early start at identifying potentials for the following year.>
Thank you,


Ellie Young

WMF Events Manager

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I am seriously interested in organising a Wikimania in Bangkok.
The Thai Wiki does not have a functional chapter, but there is a user group chaired by a professor at Thailand’s major Medical College, and we have collaborated on various projects. With our combined knowledge we could get a team together fofr 2018 0r 2019 probably 2019 would be best. . I have experience in event management. Taweetham has lived and studiedfor his PhD in Australia and has attended several Wikimanias. I have lived in Thailand for nearly 20 years and was a professor at a government university in Bangkok for several years.

Bangkok has an ideal geo location, it’s a very modern city with excellent transport and communications infrastructures. (two large interation airports only 20 mins from the city centre; highly developed urban rapid mass transport systems; first class Internet).

Food, accommodation, and other facilities for visitors cost roughly one sixth of those in Western (USA, Canada, Australia, Europe,) or Westernised economies (HK, Singapore, etc).

Chris
(Kudpung)
On 17Oct, 2016, at 07:24, Ellie Young <eyo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:


This is a follow-up to a posting to this list by the Wikimania Committee in July soliciting proposals for people who might be interested in hosting a future Wikimania (especially 2018 and 2019), as follows:


​"​We are now looking for proposals of teams and locations. This is not a bidding process; we are keen for this to be a light-weight, simple request for suggestions. You don’t need to have a venue locked down, contracts drafted or sponsors lined up. You can have a quick look at the “judging criteria” which were used for 2016,[2] but the key part is commitment. In deciding where to hold conferences, we have to take into account additional factors about potential sites such as cost, accessibility, and security. ​​">> I will be following up with various people who have expressed interest in the coming week. If anyone else is interested in discussing the possibilities (the team/prospective host need not be tied to a particular venue), please get in touch with me directly by October 30, 2016. We will be working with the WM

​F ​ in the coming months in finalizing a venue/team for 2018, and we also want to get an early start at identifying potentials for the following year.>>
Thank you,



Ellie Young

WMF Events Manager

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