Viswaprabha highlights a reason why some people may be appearing to get Montreal and CapeTown.
Where as Kudpung is highlighting that over time some people seam to get many scholarship opportunities to attend, while others miss out or perpetually end up on the wait list. I dont think Kudpung is picking on Viswaprabha in any specific way, just enquiring if the three other listed Wikimanias were all scholarships along with capetown. Personally I've only once got WMF scholarship to washington, once I was asked by the chapter to represent them in london, I have applied for a few others and been unsuccessful, Yes its unfortunate that some people appear to get more opportunities while others miss out, understanding the mechanics of how & why that happens is an important part of the processes being reviewed and improved. In some ways such issues need seek personal information because that does inform others. I do wonder how much of the application information is taken in good faith and how much is reviewed, because we know that filling in forms for such activities is skill set that some people have the ability to over promote themselves while others struggle in relating the good work they are doing -- this part is no way intended to reflect on Viswaprabha, I appreciate Viswaprabha took the time to highlight a personal event that is impacting this discussion in a non normal way. On 30 May 2018 at 14:45, Siebrand Mazeland <[email protected]> wrote: > I think this is the point where we are deviating from the original issue, > and where I feel things are getting way too personal. Can we please stay in > a general topic and refrain from analyzing who in particular may or may not > be getting the long or short end of the stick? > > -- > Siebrand > > Op 30 mei 2018 om 08:42 heeft CS <[email protected]> het volgende geschreven: > > Visswaprabha, > > '2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.' > > and for how many of those did you get a scholarship? > > Kudpung > > On 30 May 2018, at 13:28, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Just for the information of all those who read this thread, > I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration > process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at > Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then > obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian > visa' problem. > So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please > reset your counters. > My total Wikimania participation till date: > 2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico. > > Regards, > User:Viswaprabha > > > On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving >> scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not >> receive one. >> As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to >> inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not >> only does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on >> the users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious >> waste of volunteers' time. >> >> I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their >> own participation in the conference multiple times should also be given >> priority consideration. >> >> I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex >> and difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee >> member, I think I have some experience in these maters. >> >> Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues >> which often result in attendees’ negative experience. >> Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania >> place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former >> conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned >> from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds >> should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the >> organisation of such an important event. >> >> Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply >> rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may >> be a step towards addressing these issues. >> >> Kudpung >> >> On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote: >> >> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired >> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users >> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on. >> >> >> Hi to all, >> without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would >> be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type >> of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters. >> >> I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any >> requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have >> something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of >> months after the official Wikimania. >> >> regards, >> /gheorghe >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get >> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving >> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using >> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated >> scholarships. >> >> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship >> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt >> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community >> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that >> community is being mocked on. >> >> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but >> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most >> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies. >> >> ~user:Praveenp >> >> >> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote: >> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this >> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other >> two got selected. >> >> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I >> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals. >> >> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which >> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially >> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would >> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request >> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it >> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the >> process (high level). >> >> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately >> could comment. >> >> Best, >> Lodewijk >> >> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the >> tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two >> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them. >> >> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also. >> >> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread, >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html> >> >> ~User:Praveenp >> >> >> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote: >> * >> >> All, >> >> >> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the >> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town, >> South Africa. >> >> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently >> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are >> listed by usernames and the list is posted >> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_sc >> holars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_ >> scholars>Submissions: >> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations. >> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week. >> >> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at: >> >> >> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program >> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program> >> >> >> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled >> program in June. >> >> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone >> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration< >> https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania >> 2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimani >> a2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If >> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff, >> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with >> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any >> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at >> wikimedia.org<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >Please >> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team >> >> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia >> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > -- GN. 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