OK Thomas, I'll look that up. Thanks.
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Thomas Dalton <[email protected]>wrote: > Zack, you may want to look up "sample bias"... Of course you don't get many > complaints from the people that responded positively to the banners... > On Dec 4, 2012 5:56 PM, "Zack Exley" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Zack Exley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Unacceptable! > > > > > > Sorry Max, your tone and language gave me a flashback to my demonic 3rd > > grade teacher and it took a little while to recover. (I'm not joking.) > > > > On the topic of the "sticky" banners, I'd like to know what others think. > > Starting next year, or even now, we can remove the stickiness. That will > > just mean more days of banners. It's just a choice. > > > > To me, it's not clear which is better. Tens of thousands of donors have > > filled out a survey this year after donating. We've gotten hardly a > handful > > of complaints. I would have expected a lot. Instead, we have lots of > people > > thanking us for making them see the banners, because they were happy to > > learn this surprising news that we're a non-profit that runs on > donations. > > > > Is it really so bad? Stickiness boosts donations by about 20-30%. That > > means many fewer days of banners. Next year it may mean that we just show > > people only one banner view all year instead of two. Or maybe 2 instead > of > > 4 (we don't know how it will play out yet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:52 AM, MZMcBride <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Zack Exley wrote: > > >> > We just were playing around with the hover banners to see what kind > of > > >> > effect they might have. They're not up now. And probably won't come > > >> back. > > >> > > >> Your comment reminds me of discussions from earlier this year with the > > >> Editor engagement experiments (E3) team about treating Wikimedia users > > as > > >> colleagues, not as customers.[1] > > >> > > >> The auto-expand banners were unacceptable. As I'm currently viewing > > >> en.wikipedia.org, the banners _continue_ to block portions of the > page > > >> content as I scroll down the page. This is also unacceptable. > > >> > > >> Enough "playing around." You're annoying readers and editors alike > with > > >> these banners. > > >> > > >> MZMcBride > > >> > > >> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Experiments > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Zack Exley > > > Chief Revenue Officer > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > 415 506 9225 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Zack Exley > > Chief Revenue Officer > > Wikimedia Foundation > > 415 506 9225 > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Zack Exley Chief Revenue Officer Wikimedia Foundation 415 506 9225 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
