On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 11:02:57PM -0800, Erik Moeller wrote: > More disruptive technical solutions could include: > > * safer alternative work/collaboration spaces that don't suffer from > the contention issues of the main article space (sandboxes on > steroids)
> * easier ways for new users to re-do an edit that has been reverted > (cf. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Improve_your_edit ) > * real-time mechanisms for coaching, collaboration (chat, real-time > collaborative editing) and mentor matchmaking > > More disruptive policy-level changes would include rethinking some of > the more problematic quality-related policies, especially notability. I think that the requirements for a wiki (open, welcoming, anyone can edit, eventualism) are always going to be at tension vs the requirements for an encyclopedia (reliable, good sourcing, etc). Right now, en.wikipedia rules are more complex and potentially more strict than nupedia ever was, and we're running on inertia. But we already have a known solution to the nupedia problem: to wit: start a (new) wiki.:-P Many mature open source projects (such as eg. the linux kernel) are split into 2 or more branches: typically called "stable" on the one hand, and "unstable", "experimental", "testing", or similar on the other. The stable branch aims to be reliable, while the unstable branch provides space to try out new ideas. When things are tested out sufficiently, they are ported to "stable" Many of the roles that en.wikipedia has become bad at (creation of new stubs, training new users, exploring areas of knowledge in a more general way) are actually roles that an open wiki is i(supposed to be) EXCELLENT at. The very best thing a wiki is good at is to take texts from stubs and data-dumps to decent articles, collaboratively. But everyone on en.wikipedia is now encouraged to create articles in their own userspace and/or use a strapped-on new article creation process.. So the section of the process where a wiki develops the most "torque" has effectively been sealed. So perhaps we'd like to have a "stable" and "unstable" branch of wikipedia. The stable branch continues with current rules (or perhaps might use sanitized nupedia rules) concentrating on the encyclopedic trifecta NOR, RS, V. The unstable branch concentrates more on the wiki trifecta NPOV/DICK/IAR(+BOLD). When articles on unstable are deemed good enough, they can be transferred to nupedi...pardon... wikipedia stable. sincerely, Kim Bruning _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l