Can I ask that we not call people dumb and foolish? Argue the idea, not the person.
(And in this case, I think Jan-Bart agrees with you, so I'm not sure where that came from). pb ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 [email protected] On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Erwin Mulialim <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Jan-Bart, > Hey, I think that you are the dumbest and most foolish people in this > world! Since you already know that working for a nonprofit foundation or > charity that absolutely should not be expecting a salary sufficient in > terms of value! Because this job is having the social goals of humanity and > is not intended for business, so it is proper you should not expect > yourself to be paid according to the salary standardization of benchmark > government regulatory policy. For jobs that have a social purpose of > humanity like this, we should not be so demanding, but we first have to > love the job ought to give all of the skills and talents that we have for > this foundation, believe that sooner or later will certainly all of the > goodness and your efforts will be avenged by God through His wonderful ways. > > May GOD Bless You Always! > > > > Best Regards, > > > Claudius Erwin Mulialim > ---------------------------------------------------- > Owner Q-Tech Computer - Ruteng > (CV. Montée Vista Media Vision) in Ruteng - Flores, East Nusa Tenggara, > Indonesia. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:43:06 -0800 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market > > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:46 AM, James Salsman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > > > > > >>... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there > is no FACT like the one that you mention. > > >> > > >> "fact that the > > >>> Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates > > >>> against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college > or > > >>> a mortgage from 2007?" > > >> > > >> because > > >> a) there is no such policy.... > > > > > > So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December > 2012? > > > > > > "[WMF compensation is] below some companies that are > > > similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit > > > owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans > > > equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and > > > there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an > > > entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and > > > that's understood by folks who make it through the process." > > > -- > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html > > > > > >> Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary > > >> almost comical.... > > > > > > Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at > > > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement > > > > Talking about my salary isn't disparaging the company -- as referenced > > later, in the US employers can't prevent folks from talking about > > their salaries. > > > > Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my > > right to fly first class everywhere. My champagne glass won't refill > > itself, you know! > > > > Leslie > > > > > and > > > > http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=19657&oldid=19653 > > > please, so we can see exactly what it says? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > -- > > Leslie Carr > > Wikimedia Foundation > > AS 14907, 43821 > > http://as14907.peeringdb.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
