On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:36 AM, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: > Certainly. However, it's the obvious question to ask, and a curious > question to spend several paragraphs not answering. > > Erik, James - how did de:wp convinced you when en:wp hasn't?
Hi David, I don't really agree with your framing - it's not about who's convincing who, but being on a sustainable path to making VisualEditor continually better, with an appropriately diverse and large base of users. That's a balancing act with any community. In the case of dewiki, it became clear pretty quickly that any additional benefit of continued feedback would be outweighed by strife and upset about the change to the default experience. In enwiki and other deployments, in spite of upset, we've received a ton of useful and actionable feedback through all of July that's enabled us to continually improve, but given the enwiki RFC on default state, it's clear that the full-on change of the default experience isn't yet sustainable in the long run as a way to run the beta. So we're looking at alternatives, as per my prior note, rather than waiting for the RFC to come to a close. Once again, the only way to continually improve VisualEditor is to ensure that we have a large base of continued use from a diverse group of users, minimizing self-selection bias, but we'll explore different ways to get there. I don't believe in hard and fast rules - in managing big and complex changes, we need to be patient with each other. On your end, we ask for forgiveness because we're going to sometimes do things that get in your way, confuse and annoy you in the process of finding ways to improve the user experience. On our end, we need to show flexibility and willingness to find a workable solution for the main problem: ensuring we're making development decisions in a real world context, not in a laboratory. All best, Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
