On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Michael Snow <wikipe...@frontier.com> > wrote: > > On 7/31/2013 3:31 PM, Nathan wrote: > >> > >> And another thought - you know what unites most of the other companies > >> represented by the logos in that image? Leaks have confirmed that most > >> of them are the subject of secret orders to turn over huge amounts of > >> raw data to the government. They are all bound to secrecy by law, so > >> without permission none of them are permitted to describe or disclose > >> the nature or extent of the data demands the U.S. government has made. > >> > >> Now if you imagine the puzzle globe on that slide implies that > >> Wikipedia traffic is retained for intelligence analysis, it's a short > >> hop to assume that the Wikimedia Foundation is also the subject of a > >> blanket order transferring its server logs to the NSA. > > > > Facebook, Google, Yahoo, and Twitter, yes. But mail.ru? The shift from > > "most" to "all" in the first paragraph may make it easy to assume the > > similarity is universal, but it's ignoring the full context. That kind of > > rhetorical shift is a favorite trick of conspiracy theorists, it's how > they > > get you to make those short hops to unwarranted conclusions. > > > > --Michael Snow > > > > > > It's hardly a conspiracy theory. Given the differences between mail.ru > and Wikipedia, I should think it would be clear why one might be > subject to a direct demand for transferring data while the other is > not. If anything, I think it's more reasonable to assume that > Wikipedia (which shares many features with Google, Yahoo, Twitter, > Facebook and other social networks) has been the subject of this kind > of demand than that it hasn't. No one with direct knowledge would be > able to do anything other than deny it, but we can easily see why data > held by Wikipedia (including partially anonymized e-mails, file > uploads, talk page communication, etc.) would be of interest to > intelligence agencies. > > I would be fired and jailed before I knowingly let that occur. If this was the case I'd very surely not be working for Wikimedia Foundation.
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