I'm glad that antanana (she don't like capital letters as you can see :) ) joined our discussion.
Now is her very first term in the Board (we reelect the board each year) and she brought a lot of 'fresh air' to our Board and proceeds to do so every day and even night (for example she sent her letter at 3:18 AM local time) as Chair deputy and Treasurer (very first one in history of WMUA) and valuable chapter member. ...and she is one of that board members who have no problem to face any issue (criticism included but critic of her activities should be well prepared and ... brave :-P). After I made some introduction of a lady I can return to the topic. I ask to forgive me in advance for some long explanation (my English will make it even less comprehensible, sorry for that) but I believe it might be a good case study for some other chapter(s) so please invest some your patience. Yes, antanana pointed perfectly well that damn 'lots of letters' was the trigger of the situation. But even better her input was in focusing our attention to two sorts/kinds of irritation (that is "a state of inflammation or painful reaction to smth." as vocabularies inform): * "it irritates people to get lots of letters" (especially if people insists to use some mailers less sophisticated in letters grouping, 'foldering' and filtering that Google Mail and alikes) * "it irritates them to hear something critical or unpleasant" (to some people critical=extremelyunpleasant) In said case the first kind of irritation (inflammation) has place as a consequence of the above mentioned trigger (snowball of a letters), while the first one is much more valuable (for our case study) as cause of a letter snowball appearance. I do believe that many of you know how painful reaction to criticism might be the the cause of mailing 'explosion' (or turbulence will be better metaphor?) if not please see explanation in [1] because I'm just unable to explain better that that (if in English and not in Ukrainian or Russian). So in our case study two Board members were (and still are :) ) irritated by criticism addressed to certain (pointed by critics) their actions and conduct of behaviour (what caused mail turbulence again and again) while two more Board members were inflamed by letter 'snowballs' arriving to their mailboxes. Obviously 2+2 gives 4 (in Ukraine as well :-P) what is majority of 7 so position of 3 other Board members doesn't matter. Period. Sincerely, Pavlo Member of Wikimedia Ukraine [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-July/127124.html (please read that text out of it context and see the idea of process of reaching "unnecessary degree of escalation", when issue "snowballs into something much larger") On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:18 AM, attolippip <attolip...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > as a member of the board in question, i would like to explain more > > But let's not pretend this is a question of a sudden need to set up a new > mailing list. That's not what this is about (q) A. > > yep. totally agree. this all is about <u>searching for transparent and > convenient forms of communication</u> > especially within the chapter. but it is really difficult, it seems :(( > (if possible at all) > ...<u>and failing</u> > > we (as a community) were discussing: > - a new mailing list (with a public archive), for announcements - if it is > open, than looking for volunteers is easier, as one can offer help > even if (s)he is not a member of the organization > - to leave this mailing list (the one, that was 'switched to 'read-only' > mode' by the board's decision) for talking - there are some people that are > used to > solving problems by talking them[problems] out-of-their-wits with a fair > lot of letters (so to say) > - to use irc channel for those wishing to hear answers ASAP and without > being drown by e-letters (and publish these logs afterwards) > > the need was not sudden, but it was too late expressed. it just irritates > people to get lots of letters > and it irritates them to hear something critical or unpleasant... > unfortunately, people TEND to act on their irritation > thus the above-mentioned Board decision was made... > > (...) and we can assume the WMUA membership will judge their action as they > see fit (q) A. > > and i do believe so > > best regards, > antanana > wikimedia Ukraine > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>