On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, "JP Béland" <[email protected]> wrote: > > "And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, > netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in > countries where the law is less developed? " > > As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all countries in > every country (Wikipedia already fails at that in its current state by > the way, with or without Wikipedia Zero). So no we cannot "just > abstain from any > activity which might be perceived as illegal somewhere". After that, > are you suggesting we should apply the laws of some "developed" > countries to all countries and just ignore the others, this is way > more morally wrong in my opinion. > > That being said, the law on net neutrality you cited applies to ISP, > which Wikipedia Zero or the WMF isn't, so it doesn't apply to it. > > But of course, we as a community and the WMF should still keep high > ethical and moral standards. > > JP Beland > aka Amqui > >
I do think there is some merit in the net neutrality argument, at least sufficiently so to be open to discussion on whether or not offering Wikipedia Zero is a good thing. It comes down to the question if we believe that having a walled garden variety of internet consisting only of Wikipedia for free, and with that undermining the market position for a paid, open internet is a net positive. I'm inclined to say it is, but the opposite position, though counter-intuitive, is pretty defensible. -Martijn > 2013/8/26, Andre Engels <[email protected]>: > > Dutch telecommunication law, article 7.4a (the net neutrality article), > > paragraph 3: > > > > "Aanbieders van internettoegangsdiensten stellen de hoogte van tarieven > > voor internettoegangsdiensten niet afhankelijk van de diensten en > > toepassingen die via deze diensten worden aangeboden of gebruikt." > > > > "Offerers of internet access services do not make the tariffs for internet > > access services dependent on the services and applications that are offered > > or used via these services." > > > > If an isp offers Wikipedia for free, and some other internet usage not, > > then it has a different tariff dependent on the service that is offered. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Stephen Bain <[email protected] >wrote: > > > >> To the best of my knowledge, every jurisdiction that has legislated on net > >> neutrality has concentrated on preventing ISPs from blocking, degrading or > >> charging extra for particular services; not one of them has a problem with > >> providers giving away certain data for free. > >> > >> S > >> On 26 Aug 2013 04:51, "rupert THURNER" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > hi, > >> > > >> > most people know some advantage of wikipedia zero and everybody can > >> > look up the advantages by just typing wikipedia zero into some search > >> > engine. as i am not sure about the answer and anyway get asked in rare > >> > cases what i think of wp:zero i guess it should be best answered on > >> > the mailing list: > >> > > >> > is wikipedia zero illegal in some countries because it violates net > >> > neutrality? and if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, > >> > netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in > >> > countries where the law is less developed? or should wikimedia > >> > foundation apply a higher moral standard and just abstain from any > >> > activity which might be perceived as illegal somewhere? > >> > > >> > just for the ones not so sure about net neutrality [1]: > >> > Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on > >> > the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by > >> > user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached > >> > equipment, and modes of communication. > >> > > >> > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality > >> > > >> > rupert. > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , > >> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > André Engels, [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
