> пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ Ð¯ÑоÑлав, > > Yes, I am very serious. I was though only arguing about the members of > this instance, be it an 'arbitration committe' or an ombudsman or > whatever, with the duty to protect users from mobbing and abuses in the > Wikis. > > We must though be aware that there are very different countries in the > world. What is possible in one part of the world is not possible in > another. I am aware of the present situation in Russia and pity the > Russians. I think the Wikis should at least reflect the society they are > working in, not be worse, and it could be difficult to be better (I am > still just talking about stopping mobbing and abuses in the Wikis). > > I am certain that a committe could help against mobbing in Wikis even in > Russia and in other countries with similar kind of problems. You could > though perhaps, for reason that you express, not get any help from the > outside society. If the members of such a committe would have any > problems with the authorities or hooligans in such a country I don't > know, but that could be an argument for placing it outside Russia (and > other countries). Perhaps even just have one international instance. > > Let me tell you a little about my own experiences to explain what I > wrote. In my country we have a lot of ombudsmen to protect citizens from > child abuse, harassment of immigrants and a lot of other things. The > persons working with these questions are very public, you can find their > names, photos etc. on the web. I have had a lot of contacts with these > people during the last year. I have never heard of one single instance > when they have been attacked, harassed or anything else. That is quite > natural, I think, they have the protection of the surrounding society. If > someone harassed or abused them, he/she be sued or arrested. > > The situation is the same for people working against mobbing in schools > and companies. They are of course also public persons. Still I have never > heard of anyone being attacked. The reason is the same as above. If these > persons were anonymous it would partly look very stupid and partly they > could not do their job properly. > > I do not see any reason why the situation wouldn't be the same for such > an instance in the Wikis. As I said above the persons must be > professional and hired by the Wikis, to get the right authority and > respect. Where they are placed physically is not so important since there > role is only to act within the Wikis (not in the society), perhaps one > shouldn't choose Russia though. > > I really think that it also has a psychological role not to be anonymous. > The method of mobbers and extreme political movements is to dehumanize > it's opponents. They put a label on their enemies to make them not human. > I think being anonymous works in the same direction. It deprives you of > your identity and thus makes you easier to attack. > > Regards, > Lars Gardenius
Indeed; however, a number of other strategies are also used to dominate. Fred _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
