We hardly ever say 'Thank You'
On 29 May 2014 11:10, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hoi, > > James is right in that we could do better in growing the number of people > contributing to our projects. So what is it that makes people back? > Typically it is that they find the information they look for. Typically it > is that their contribution is valued and does not take too much effort. > > When you look at our efforts they typically require a "big intellect". That > excludes many people because it is often more that you are expected to > conform to particular expectations than being brainy. We are focused on our > existing largest community, we cater for what is important to them and > consequently we do not consider those that are not obvious targets for that > largest community. > > When we do venture out, for instance in "Wiki loves monuments" we do really > well; we make the Guiness book of records. It is however not the WMF that > learns the lessons; it is left for the communities, the chapters. The same > is for the GLAM participation, it is not even the WMF that provides the > infra structure, it is the chapters and they are "blamed" for having an > agenda that does not align with the technical aspirations of MediaWiki et > al development. The GLAM cooperation is another area where we as a movement > shine. > > When you want opportunities where we expand on things outside of core > en.wp, have a look at the games developed by Magnus [1]. People find them > highly entertaining and they do serve a need. In the "Reasonator" people > can get information about data in Wikidata even when there are no "labels" > in their language because it provides language fall back. However, > Reasonator is served from Labs and it is not consistently available to our > users. Its "up time" is not consistent with what is needed for an end-user > experience and consequently its growth is stunted at the current level. > > We do not know what people are looking for and fail to find. We do not know > that for any language and consequently we cannot ask things like: "do you > know the name of what you are looking for in another language". This could > add labels to Wikidata and help in finding results for other people using > WD-Search support in a Wikipedia. > > Really when we want to engage more people, we should not only cater for > what our most visible and most loud community is looking for. We should > consider opportunities outside that community. When the en.wp may benefit > as well, it should be a fringe benefit !! > > So yes, lets grow our community and the most growth is where we have > achieved the least. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > > > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/# > > > On 29 May 2014 10:06, James Salsman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Lila Tretikov wrote: > > >... > > > Allocation should follow strategic priorities and it > > > is the strategy that helps answer this question. > > > > On this point, it should be enormously helpful to point out that the > > only strategic goal which the Foundation has ever failed to achieve, > > and has consistently failed to achieve, is this one: > > > > > > > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Increase_participation > > > > That specific strategic priority of increasing participation is the > > focus of the sixteen proposed additional strategic goals below. Some > > people have substantial objections to some of them, but I'm not clear > > on the details. Nobody has suggested any reason that Foundation goals > > would not benefit from at least an attempt at alignment to volunteer > > contributing editor preferences on these issues. > > > > But what have I forgotten? What have I left out? If I could only get > > one suggestion for every two people who take issue with specific > > things already on the list, I would feel a lot more comfortable and > > confident that there isn't anything being forgotten. > > > > >... On a more operational scale, resources tend go > > > to where the users are or where the opportunity is. > > > When they go to opportunity, it is towards verifying > > > hypothesis that it would yield results. > > > > I agree with measuring what is likely to work best, but for some of > > these proposals, including some of the lowest hanging fruit, that is > > very hard. So again, I recommend depending on the wisdom of > > contributing editors. To that end, an editor survey is something which > > really needs to be done to prep for this. I trust the Board and Staff > > to be able to veto things which are unworkable and reach through to > > the opportunities in an agile fashion. What I don't understand are the > > few who suggest that the Foundation should not be more active on > > trying to improve the lot in life of potential volunteer editors. How > > can that possibly be part of a strategy to increase participation? > > > > 1. Labor rights, e.g., linking to fixmyjob.com > > > > 2. Support the ratification of the Convention on the Rights of the > > Child and its protocols without reservation > > > > 3. Increase infrastructure spending > > > > 4. Increase education spending > > > > 5. Public school class size reduction > > > > 6. College subsidy with income-based repayment terms > > > > 7. More steeply progressive taxation > > > > 8. Negative interest on excess reserves > > > > 9. Telecommuting > > > > 10. Workweek length reduction > > > > 11. Single-payer health care > > > > 12. Renewable power purchase > > > > 13. Increased data center hardware power efficiency > > > > 14. Increased security against eavesdropping > > > > 15. Metropolitan broadband > > > > 16. 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