Gerard, Thanks for the vote of confidence! Rui, I meant "interact" in the sense of "user interface", so to edit Wikipedia, one must first interact with the edit button, something I have tried endlessly to get my friends to do. Instead, whenever they notice something wrong on Wikipedia, they call me. Though I am flattered that they think I know all aspects of several million articles, it does frustrate me that they think they are doing me a favor by telling me they found a mistake.
My point is that given a finite number of hours to edit Wikipedia for any given person (male or female), the number of those hours spent on a handheld device will affect the productivity of those available hours in a negative way (like as in zero productivity - go try editing Wikipedia on a smartphone!). 2014-06-01 21:16 GMT+02:00, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi, > <grin> Jane is in my top 1% of most accomplished Wikimedians </grin> She is > VERY effective on both Wikipedia, Commons and WIkidata. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 1 June 2014 21:13, Rui Correia <correia....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, from your previous post I was left the distinct impression that >> neither you nor your female friends edit the Wikipedia. So I have gone >> back >> and reread your post to see what I missed. I see that you and your friends >> "interact". For the life of me I thought that by "interact" you meant go >> on >> the internet and interact with people - on social media etc. Nothing in it >> implied that you meant editing the WP. >> >> And no, I have never edited on an iPad - why should I, if I work on as big >> a screen as I can get that is still small enough to pack into a travel >> bakpack? ;-) >> >> Rui >> >> >> 2014-06-01 20:47 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>: >> >> > I'll bet you have never tried to edit Wikipedia on an iPad >> > >> > 2014-06-01 20:25 GMT+02:00, Rui Correia <correia....@gmail.com>: >> > > Jane >> > > >> > > I think we are talking about two different things. Ownership of or >> access >> > > to equipment with access to the internet is not the same thing as we >> are >> > > talking about. If anything, the fact that more women own any such >> > equipment >> > > only goes to reinforce what we already know, which is that not many >> > girls/ >> > > women are taking part in editing the Wikipedia. >> > > >> > > Rui >> > > >> > > >> > > 2014-06-01 9:30 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>: >> > > >> > >> Of course I am just a sample of one, but in my personal circle of >> > >> female friends, most of them only interact with a smartphone or >> > >> tablet >> > >> and though they may own a full-fledged computer, they only interact >> > >> with that machine for certain boring and obligatory tasks such as >> > >> filing taxes and printing. This is in and of itself, a reason not to >> > >> edit, in my mind. Research into the use of tablets in 2012 in the >> > >> Netherlands did indicate that more women were active on them than >> > >> men, >> > >> and a simple google search picked this 2013 BBC article up about the >> > >> same holding true for women in the UK: >> > >> "Women own most of the UK's tablet computers says study" >> > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-23355944 >> > >> >> > >> Disclaimer: I am a frequent user of an iPad-1 that my mother (of all >> > >> people!) gave me for my birthday. >> > >> >> > >> 2014-06-01 8:52 GMT+02:00, ENWP Pine <deyntest...@hotmail.com>: >> > >> >> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 06:39:38 +0100 >> > >> >> From: Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> >> > >> >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first >> > >> >> three weeks] >> > >> >> Message-ID: >> > >> >> < >> > >> cah7nnd3meyllrfd+sss-trsajxrreq0uidom07m_9nx-oiq...@mail.gmail.com> >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> > >> >> >> > >> >> On 1 June 2014 04:26, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> ... >> > >> >> >>... selects strongly against women. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Where is the evidence that women have more difficulty >> understanding >> > >> >> > wikitext than men? >> > >> >> >> > >> >> (Probably drifting to "Increase participation by women") >> > >> >> >> > >> >> As someone who has run editathons on women focused topics, I found >> > >> >> this an odd comment that does not match anecdotal experience. New >> > >> >> women users seem little different to men in the issues that arise, >> > and >> > >> >> though I have found myself apologising for the slightly odd >> > >> >> syntax, >> > >> >> given the standard crib-sheet most users get on with basic article >> > >> >> creation quite happily. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> There are far more commonly raised issues such as the complex >> issues >> > >> >> associated with image upload (copyright!), or the conceptual >> > >> >> difficulty of "namespaces" which mean that some webpages behave >> > >> >> differently to others. None is something that appears to "select >> > >> >> strongly against women", though the encyclopedia's way of defining >> > >> >> notability can make it harder to create articles about pre-1970s >> > >> >> professional women, purely because sources from earlier periods >> tend >> > >> >> to be biased towards men. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> If there are surveys that wiki-syntax is more of a barrier for >> women >> > >> >> than men (after discounting out other factors), perhaps someone >> could >> > >> >> provide a link? >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Fae >> > >> > >> > >> > FWIW, I think that Lila said at the Zurich hackathon that she had >> > found >> > >> > research indicating that fewer women click the "edit" button than >> men >> > >> > do. >> > >> > That sounds like a phenomenon that could use some research and >> > >> > experimentation. >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014-05-10_Wikimedia_Hackathon_Lila_Tretikov.webm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Also, the Individual Engagement Grants Committee and WMF have >> funded a >> > >> > research project in this IEG round focused on women's >> > >> > participation. >> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_and_Wikipedia >> > >> > >> > >> > Pine >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > >> > Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> > , >> > >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org >> ?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> , >> > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > _________________________ >> > > Rui Correia >> > > Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant >> > > Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant >> > > >> > > Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 >> > > Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 >> > > _______________ >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________ >> Rui Correia >> Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant >> Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant >> >> Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 >> Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 >> _______________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
