And what's the purpose of your question(s)? How does it help you to know what he said or not? Do you want to get an impression of his character? Then better start over with fresh questions than the tendentious ones the journalist asked him (but please off-list). Or do you want to hit on him (or claim your disgust) if it comes out that he said roughly what was printed although the situation was differently than told by the journalist and he meant it differently what he has already confirmed? This cannot be useful on this list either. This is not a trial. Who are we to demand the truth here? … I met him for five minutes in Berlin and don't know him onwiki, so will this story (whose common theme I still cannot find—is it really just giving some quotes here and then said?) create or change my impression on him? No, not at all. I haven't been there, I cannot judge the situation, even if this or that party tells me their impressions. I should not even do this, this is not my task and if I have an impression why is it important that others know about it? The journalist had her “story” (and as far as I know journalists, they emphasize the most stupid things one can imagine [if that counts, my lumberjack shirt should be notable for Wikipedia as often as journalists made fun of it 9.9]), Kevin already said that words were taken out of (a non-serious) context, misinterpreted, etc. What do I have to know more about this story? Nothing. Next story please.
Cheers, Martin 2014-06-07 16:30 GMT+02:00 edward <edw...@logicmuseum.com>: > On 07/06/2014 15:08, MZMcBride wrote: > >>I'm not sure what your specific _focus_ [my emphasis] is here with these > questions. Perhaps you could clarify? > > I think you mean 'intention' rather than 'focus'. I already spelled out > the _focus_, which was on whether Kevin _said_ those things attributed to > him or not, or whether it was complete journalistic invention. As I said, > journalists tend to embellish and varnish, rarely is there complete > invention. > > Regarding _intention_ I would rather like to get to the truth about > whether he said that or not (rather than whether what he was supposed to > have said was true). For example, he is supposed to have said "We’re the > well-dressed, chill ones". I suppose at the back of my mind was, if he > really said that, what on earth was he thinking of, if he knew he was > speaking to a journalist? I mean, if you talk to these people you want to > be as open as you can, without being deceptive, but always mindful that > anything you say may be taken as it is and published in the Daily Mail. So > think carefully about what you say. If Kevin did say that, then two things > are publishable, (i) that he is mentally dividing, perhaps not very nicely, > the Wikipedians who aren't cool or hip, and himself and his 'chill' mates, > and (ii) he is rather risibly signifying that he is cool and hip, which is > something you should be generally careful of doing, even with mates, and > especially with journalists, who are sort of programmed to pick up on these > things. > > Note I said 'taken as it is' and not 'taken out of context'. People talk > about 'remarks taken out of context' but when you look at what they said, > it is nearly always that they weren't thinking carefully about what they > were saying, and inadvertently gave away thoughts that they would rather > have kept inside their heads. > > But we don't know whether he actually did say that or not. > > Thanks for explaining 'chill'. > > , Ed > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
