Am 13.08.2014 21:53 schrieb "Magnus Manske" <[email protected]>:
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:20 PM, rupert THURNER <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Am 13.08.2014 15:56 schrieb "Magnus Manske" <[email protected]
>:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER <
> > [email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > >> It's probably fine for "modern" viewing, although it's hard to
guess
> > > > that
> > > > >> you get to the file page via the little Commons icon for people
who
> > (in
> > > > all
> > > > >> likelihood) have never seen that icon, or visited Commons.
> > > >
> > > > > Indeed, the icon to the File: page is currently very opaque. We're
> > > > > preparing for a round of possible changes to the viewing
experience,
> > > > > potentially including
> > > > > - moving caption above the fold so readers don't have to hunt for
it
> > > > > - moving disable action above-the-fold
> > > > > - potentially eliminating the below-the-fold panel entirely
> > > > > - emphasizing the File: page more prominently as the canonical
source
> > > > > of metadata
> > > > > - separating out download/use actions more clearly
> > > > >
> > > > > These changes will need to be carefully tested/validated. If you
want
> > > > > to take a look at an early early (!) prototype (!!), see
> > > > > http://multimedia-alpha.wmflabs.org/wiki/Lightbox_demo , but
please
> > > >
> > > > magnus, do these changes make you turn it on again? if not, what
would
> > need
> > > > to be better?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think this is a non-issue. It took one click to get to the image
page;
> > > now it takes two. That's my main "problem" with it.
> > > As I said, I'm not the target audience for this. I hope.
> >
> > to give back the one click experience one would need two entry points. a
> > tab or a toolbox link to start mediaviewer, and standard behavior on the
> > images. for one link more in the gui everybody would be happy?
> >
>
> Thanks for trying, but I wouldn't like to have some "click confusion" to
be
> added on my part. This is not really the issue that's being discussed
here.
> Some people felt that MediaViewer is too buggy to be default right now.
WMF
> disagreed. Disagreement escalated. This needs to calm down again. A quick
> single-point tech fix won't make it go away, I'm afraid.

haha, yes, if you express it like that i agree. i was suggesting this more
as a permanent solution, in the lines of googles "images" tab when
presenting search results. it is well established and simple to grasp. one
click less to get what one wants, one option less. the user always has both
choices. bugs of course stay bugs. such a media tab would additionally
allow to not only present images out of the article, but some search result
out of commons if desired. later on it might allow a new workflow for
editing by selecting one of the images and have a "include in the article"
choice. the search box could be adjusted to find text or media depending
which tab is selected.

rupert
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