+1 to Keilana. The fact that people still believe that valuing women
somehow devalues men never fails to amaze me. It's not a zero-sum game.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Keilana <keilanaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hearing people whine “what about the men” because, God forbid, men might
> not get *every single* grant this time (as they did in the pilot round of
> IEGs), is incredibly tiresome.
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > If you take it entirely at face value, I find it quite inoffensive.  As I
> > have no experience with reviewing grant proposals, I can't comment on its
> > accuracy, but I am quite happy to take Fred's word for it.
> > Offence is often available if you search for it hard enough.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Fæ
> > Sent: 08 January 2015 06:17 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender
> > gap project-related decision
> >
> > On 8 Jan 2015 16:11, "FRED BAUDER" <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> > ...
> > >  I've noticed that women are often quite motivated and good at writing
> > grant proposals.
> >
> > Extending good faith I would presume this is irony. It does not transmit
> > well by email. Please keep in mind how offensive this sort of thing
> appears.
> >
> > Fae
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