555 I just showed the thread, not your specific email. This is not about
me, so why my name is there?
"doing almost nothing on online projects or even on outreach activities. "
>  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rodrigo.Argenton.

"there is no need to demonize R-Padula"

the main word here is "need"...

"I'm not fighting against anybody here"

Just flooding me by emails and SMS, probably with insults I just saw
capital letters.

" I proposed to do during and after the Brazilian Catalyst Program!" "do"?

555 I didn't know that you rather prefer Padula's posture, but nice defence
that you created, ad hominem to diminish me (totally equivocated, you
forget to say a list of really bad things, and made a wrong affirmation
saying that I'm not active on online), then you remove the culpability of
Padula's Burn Money Festival, and deviated the attention to the problem and
transformed in stage for baby talk...

"which should be probably discussed in another place."

Illario, every thread, every thread that appears this problem that AffCom +
WMF created, you request to we stop talking here, and go somewhere else.
Where? Where we could talk to the Wikimedia Movement, including AffCom,
WMF, international community? Meta? Because there AffCom did not answer, we
are expecting a "Why WMBR was not approved" since 2013...

How about you stop trying to shut people up and start giving serious answers

On 31 October 2015 at 18:13, Luiz Augusto <lugu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > (...)
> >
> > [5]some samples of local community interacting with Padula's "ideas":
> >
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research/User_Group_Proposal
> > https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Rodrigo_Padula
> > follow the thread:
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediabr-l/2014-August/015754.html
> >
> >
> Since R-Argenton provided some messages written by me in public opposition
> against R-Padula in the past year, let's me write few lines updating the
> subject.
> R-Padula acted in many disruptive ways in a very complex Game of Thrones
> WMF edition that ended in project results and partial lost of community
> interest. Emphasis on partial. I'll explain it in another point of this
> message. Let's say that R-Padula is our local Petyr Baelish.
> R-Argenton for years is behind brazilian volunteers most of time on yet
> more disruptive ways plus doing almost nothing on online projects or even
> on outreach activities. Argenton may replies to it as "because I'm
> blocked!" and I leaves to those who may be interested to think for the
> reasons a community will choose to block a very experienced contributor.
> Please don't read this as I advocating for Padula. Quite the opposite, I'm
> only suggesting to ignore the bad mood from Argenton and really focus on
> measurements and governance points proposed by Fæ.
> Time to write few lines about the "partial lost of community interest"
> point.
> The now defunct Programa Catalisador do Brasil revealed the bad side of
> some people (R-Argenton excluded from this, at least) and created a very
> interesting GoT WMF remix that ended in many political fights exactly as on
> the HBO series. But the community members where all benevolent zombies,
> sometimes attending events, but most of time doing nothing. Nothing at all.
> I personally leaved any attempt to do 'real-world' things after the renew
> of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil (not to be confused with the UG
> that R-Padula is the leader). As far I can see, the last action of that UG
> was to get renewed and eventually being present on Wikimania... Well, I
> *really* don't want to say any more on this UG.
> My current involvement to WMF is only to do random things on Wikisource and
> Wikidata as I can do random things on any website, without further
> interest. Not only due to the GoT WMF.br remixed edition, but also for many
> issues on a more global level (WMF is constantly contracting new staff and
> their servers are most unstable than back in 2004-2005... Only in sake of
> example, since there are REALLY many issues, T71311
> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71311>, a huge data loss, is still
> unsolved most due to the laziness of the involved staff while in any normal
> entity it may result in an entire team working until solve it... should I
> do anything on governance issues related to resources allocated to Brazil
> while in the meantime the WMF is doing anything on their own governance,
> only spending money on fees until gets bankrupt and with all data lost
> forever in a huge bug not so hypothetical as many of you think? Not ever).
> So, please, don't refer anymore to any past message written by me,
> R-Argenton and any other portuguese-speaking person.
> If the money collected by the WMF is bad spent in Brazil maybe is because
> the WMF is entirely at this moment only bad spending their resources. So
> there is no need to demonize R-Padula, since the entire WMF should stop
> in different ways to reinvent the wheel and start producting things that
> uses wheels.
> Beijos, não me liga*,
> [[User:555]]
> ---
> * a quite old meme from Brazil
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