I understand and even sympathize with your position, although not your
outright hostility. (Please keep that to a minimum, by the way.)

As others have said, the recognition of Adele Vrana as one of the
three laureates accepting on behalf of the Community, and with it the
explicit recognition of the project she's led, has made the position
of the Erasmus Committee clear. There was nothing "smuggled in" to a
video "at the very end," as it were.

As for WP0 itself, you are free to oppose WMF initiatives and even
discuss them on this list, but only so long as the goal is meant to be
productive. In other words, don't hijack a thread to flog a dead
horse. (I have no say in what you write to the Stichting Praemium
Erasmianum, of course.)

Thank you,

Austin


On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Jens Best <best.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, then this is a cheap success for the propaganda for a project started
> by the Foundation which has nothing to do with the community which is
> creating and editing the Wikipedia.
>
> - WP0 is a clear violation of net neutrality and therefore undermines the
> ground on which an open croudsourcing project is based.
>
> - Also the low numbers of involvement through WP0 are evidence that this is
> a pure marketing project run by the Foundation for the Foundation and
> realiter doesn't contribute to the big ideas with which it is sold.
>
> - Additionally the Foundation isn't answering questions about the limits
> and ending of WP0 for over 1,5 years now. A project - officially sold to
> bring the poor of the Global South into Wikipedia - is spreading in
> developed countries where its only purpose is to give the "partnering
> access provider" a marketing campaign named "Wikipedia for free".
>
> If the Erasmus Prize is really essentially connected to Wikipedia Zero
> (which I still don't think) than maybe somebody has to inform the office of
> the Praemium Erasmianum Foundation about the numbers and the facts of this
> questionable endevaour. I still hope that the prize was recieved because
> Wikipedia is the biggest cultural project mankind every started.
>
> J
>
>
>
> 2015-11-26 20:01 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav M. Blanter <pute...@mccme.ru>:
>
>> On 2015-11-26 19:48, Jens Best wrote:
>>
>>> Nice try, GerardM,
>>>
>>> but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because
>>> some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some
>>> access
>>> providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net
>>> neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate
>>> that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the
>>> web
>>> became great is wrong.
>>>
>>> And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>
>> Actually, Wikipedia Zero was explicitly cited in the laudation when the
>> prize was awarded. We may like it or not but it was an integral part of the
>> prize.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Yaroslav
>>
>>
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