Dear all,
On behalf of WUGN,  this is to congratulate all the Wikimedia communities for 
the success of the celebration of Wikipedia at 15.
We held an event at Fountain University in Osogbo, Osun State, Nigeria as a way 
of commemorating the 15th years anniversary in the country. It was also a 
moment to reflect on the significance of Wikipedia, as the largest encyclopedia 
in the world and her plans for the future.
No doubt, the event was a great  success. We were hosted by the Vice Chancellor 
of the Institution with over 100 students in Attendance. One of the major 
highlights is the cutting of cake to celebrate the event.
The event was followed with 3days workshop tagged: Wikipedia Workshop for 
student of Fountain University, to be concluded on the 28th January, 2016.

Best, 

Olatunde Isaac,

Secretary, WUGN
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 22:33:38 -0800
From: Philippe Beaudette <phili...@beaudette.me>
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You called? :)

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:42 AM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ok, spot the idiot who can't send an offlist email offlist.
> On 13 Jan 2016 09:38, "Chris Keating" <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's what the Googleplex wants you to think!
> > On 13 Jan 2016 00:56, "Asaf Bartov" <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > > (perhaps it would be nice to stop wasting everyone's time with this.)
> > >
> > >    A.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've written a guess on what Damon is hinting at. I will reveal this
> > > guess
> > > > at some later date, but for now here is the hash value:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> bd17ae9eef103aec4ce75c8e8ba0c0b9cb45bc63c7bb0b52145642b68b1c6bfb586ea67f18e07e6767b5522765a00e096cf29eceadc0450e8840a19bacb692f2
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> > >     Asaf Bartov
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:35:06 +0100
From: Vituzzu <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs
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Il 17/01/2016 00:49, Risker ha scritto:
> Hmm.  The majority of those crawlers are from search engines - the very
> search engines that keep us in the top 10 of their results (and often in
> the top 3), thus leading to the usage and donations that we need to
> survive. If they have to pay, then they might prefer to change their
> algorithm, or reduce the frequency of scraping (thus also failing to catch
> updates to articles including removal of vandalism in the lead paragraphs,
> which is historically one of the key reasons for frequently crawling the
> same articles).  Those crawlers are what attracts people to our sites, to
> read, to make donations, to possibly edit.  Of course there are lesser
> crawlers, but they're not really big players.
As usual you nailed it! That's why I wrote "negotiation" implying any 
extra cost should be fairly modulated but also it shouldn't force over 
the tops to leave our services.
>
> I'm at a loss to understand why the Wikimedia Foundation should take on the
> costs and indemnities associated with hiring staff to create a for-pay API
> that would have to meet the expectations of a customer (or more than one
> customer) that hasn't even agreed to pay for access.  If they want a
> specialized API (and we've been given no evidence that they do), let THEM
> hire the staff, pay them, write the code in an appropriately open-source
> way, and donate it to the WMF with the understanding that it could be
> modified as required, and that it will be accessible to everyone.
+1 is not enough let's +1e12
>
> It is good that the WMF has studied the usage patterns.  Could a link be
> given to the report, please?  It's public, correct?  This is exactly the
> point of transparency.  If only the WMF has the information, then it gives
> an excuse for the community's comments to be ignored "because they don't
> know the facts".  So let's lay out all the facts on the table, please.
>
>
 From Lila's ongoing choices I'm pretty sure they will.

Il 17/01/2016 03:11, Denny Vrandecic ha scritto:
> To give a bit more thoughts: I am not terribly worried about current
> crawlers. But currently, and more in the future, I expect us to provide
> more complex and this expensive APIs: a SPARQL endpoint, parsing APIs, etc.
> These will be simply expensive to operate. Not for infrequent users - say,
> to the benefit of us 70,000 editors - but for use cases that involve tens
> or millions of requests per day. These have the potential of burning a lot
> of funds to basically support the operations of commercial companies whose
> mission might or might not be aligned with our.
Then a good synthesis would be "let's Google(*) fund scholarships/summer 
of codes/whatever to build new functionalities then make Google 
reimburse (**) our facilities' usage/increase our userbase(***)".

Notes:
(*) by "Google" I mean any big player
(**) by "reimburse" I mean give us a fairly and proportionally 
determined amount of money based upon *actual* exploitation of our 
hardware/networking resources. This "reimburse" could also be colo space 
or whatever we'd need.
(***) as several people already pointed out we're in a symbiotic 
relationship with Google (and others): they need our knowledge, we need 
their traffic. As long as our sectors are distinct all is right with the 
symbiosis.

IMHO there's room to increase our advantages without breaking the 
symbiosis but, above all, without missing our mission.

Vito



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