Hello everyone ,
I agree with Fae and Craig,
It's foreign jargon especially in this context , and on top of that
jargon form a professional background where the term has been misused
(imho)
It has in my jargon the connotation of obsessively recurring idea , like
a depressed patient
always coming back to ideas of suicide : the suicidal ideation
It would be the only place where i would allow fosuch reductive jargon
because it has precise meaning
i wouls never associate it with idea generation or brainstorming what
is wrong with using those words
as craig indicated : cringe worthy (business) jargon
the mere fact that product design (business ing general) is stealing a
word form other jargon
show a lack of creativity of innovation
I would like to call on the communications dept to start - and i can
just picture someone for that task - a campaign
at WMF to ban jargon "simply says it better"
derek
On 16-03-16 04:39, Craig Franklin wrote:
Hi Moushira,
The problem when you use jargon like "ideation" in this context is that
you're essentially excluding anyone who isn't familiar with the particular
terminology used in the field. Especially so when there are plenty of
plain-English alternatives that can be used in its place. Note that there
is a whole bunch of thought from experts that that word in particular is a
particularly obnoxious piece of jargon:
* http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/26/pf/corporate-jargon/
* https://hbr.org/2008/08/why-jargon-feeds-on-lazy-minds.html
*
http://www.lifed.com/10-cringeworthy-business-jargon-examples-that-should-be-banned
It's hardly the worst example I've seen out of the WMF, but while we're on
the topic it should be pointed out. Just because it's used elsewhere, it
doesn't mean that the WMF has to fall into the same trap.
Cheers,
Craig
On 16 March 2016 at 10:07, Moushira Elamrawy <melamr...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hello Fae,
Ideation phase [0], is a term widely used in product and design context.
Now, I see your point around how volunteers who are not related to these
fields, might not be familiar with it. Possibly something like, idea
generation, or brainstorming could have replaced it.
I am not sure though if the factors that you have listed are relevant; I
think it is a matter of using a word in a certain context where it actually
fits, without realizing how a broader audience would perceive it.
In any case, thanks for the note :-)
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideation_%28creative_process%29
Moushira
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15 March 2016 at 22:33, Moushira Elamrawy <melamr...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
...
The reading team is launching an experiment that supports early
engagement
in ideation phase, with a wide variety of users.
...
Hi, sorry to target your email with a more general observation,
however there seems to be a lot of odd jargon in Wikimedia
announcements over the last few months. It would be great to see more
'official' emails aimed at volunteers, written in plain and
grammatically complete English. Phrases like "ideation phase" may be
frequently used during meetings at the Wikimedia Foundation offices,
but are unlikely to be heard in real life by volunteer contributors,
and are unlikely to be easily understood outside of corporate America,
especially by those without English as their first language.
Sorry again about picking at your announcement rather than any other,
it just stood out today.
Thanks,
Fae
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