Hoi,
Visiting the United States is no longer an option for many people. The
current situation is absolutely not only about immigration it is also about
visiting. When a nationalised person of Iranian ancestry has family in
Iran. Can he or she still visit his family and come back? Can his family
still visit him? The situation is reminiscent of what happens in North and
South Korea.
Really, people do not appreciate half of what is happening in the USA. I
seriously ask myself if I could visit the USA and not be harassed. I am
Caucasian, from the Netherlands and I am a Muslim. When we do not see that
a large part of our community can no longer visit "the land of the free"
and call this political, we do not appreciate what we stand for. When
people find that the position they take is one where the notion that
America is no longer the land of the free, where white extremism is free to
burn mosques and kill based on the difference in the colour of their skin
is acceptable, they are welcome to find a problem with what Wikimedia as a
worldwide movement stands for.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 2 March 2017 at 00:44, Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I must say I also find the political message behind this a bit too heavy.
> It lets me a bit unconfortable.
>
> That most of the themes reported here are not Mr Trump cup of tea is quite
> obvious. That the whole page is a message against the president, I get it.
>
> But in some cases, I think it is really lacking subtility or a bit too
> manipulative. And that is not so cool.
>
> For example... the message "one in six people visited another country in
> 2016"... illustrated by "SeaTac Airport protest against immigration ban.
> Sit-in blocking arrival gates until 12 detainees at Sea-Tac are released.
> Photo by Dennis Bratland.CC BY-SA 4.0"
>
> Really... "visiting a country" is a quite different thing from
> "immigrating".
>
> I think the choice of picture inappropriate.
>
> Florence
>
>
>
> Le 01/03/2017 à 21:15, Lodewijk a écrit :
>
>> I didn't see the banner, but the page definitely looks... 'funny'.
>>
>> I'm especially confused on what the purpose of the campaign/page is, even
>> after reading the different sections. It mostly feels either like a
>> political statement about refugees (which takes very clearly center stage)
>> or an 'unfinished' page which is work in progress. The landing page is
>> confusing (why am i taken there? What am I supposed to discover?), the
>> 'refugees' banner is repeated on each page (which seems to emphasize it
>> should be the focus) and there's a few (minor) errors to be improved
>> (visible paragraph separator characters in the sustaining donor list, the
>> balance sheet is claiming to span a whole year).
>>
>> Is this perhaps still work in progress?
>>
>> On the visual end, it looks great though. I love the chatting group of
>> Wikipedians as a background.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> 2017-03-01 20:59 GMT+01:00 Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org>:
>>
>> Hi James.
>>>
>>> You can find out more about the Endowment here:
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Endowment
>>>
>>> Seddon
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:54 PM, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The statements Yair quoted are appropriate unless you believe
>>>> "empower" in the Foundation's Mission statement merely means "enable"
>>>> or "facilitate," without regard to economic or political power, so I'm
>>>> very glad to see them, as I am to see all of the eleven sections in
>>>> https://annual.wikimedia.org/2016/consider-the-facts.html
>>>>
>>>> Yair omitted mention of the descriptions of how, in each of those
>>>> eleven cases, our volunteers are using Foundation projects to address
>>>> the identified issues. Those who think discussion of these issues
>>>> should be suppressed or are cause to leave could talk with the
>>>> volunteers whose work has been profiled so that both sides can
>>>> understand the motivations and concerns of the other. Maybe Roxana
>>>> Sordo or Andreas Weith are on this list and can address the concerns
>>>> raised about the description of their work directly? In any case, free
>>>> culture isn't compatible with prohibition of discussion and
>>>> censorship. And the impulses toward such suppression aren't rational,
>>>> given the extent to which the human endocrine system regulates
>>>> personal, group, hierarchical, and reciprocal relationships, as shown
>>>> in Table 1 on page 192 of Daphne Bugental's (2000) "Acquisition of the
>>>> Algorithms of Social Life: A Domain-Based Approach," in Psychological
>>>> Bulletin 126(2):187-219, at http://talknicer.com/Bugental2000.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the Annual Report financials, it looks like the investment
>>>> income the Foundation is earning has fallen below 1%. I don't think
>>>> it's fair to donors to hold $47 million dollars in cash and
>>>> equivalents as per https://annual.wikimedia.org/2016/financials.html
>>>> -- Are people waiting for the Endowment Committee to meet before
>>>> investing? Does anyone know when the Endowment Committee will ever
>>>> meet?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Yair Rand <yyairr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An unscheduled CentralNotice just started running, linking to a rather
>>>>> bizarre page [1]. Purporting to be the WMF's 2016 Annual Report, it
>>>>>
>>>> starts
>>>>
>>>>> off with some text about refugees. "FACT: Half of refugees are
>>>>>
>>>> school-age",
>>>>
>>>>> followed by some completely unencyclopedic text about the topic: "That
>>>>> means 10 million children are away from their homes, their communities,
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> their traditional education. Each refugee child’s experience is unique,
>>>>>
>>>> but
>>>>
>>>>> every single one loses time from their important learning years. Many
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>
>>>> them face the added pressure of being surrounded by new languages and
>>>>> cultures." The linked page goes on to detail some of Wikimedia's vision
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> how Wikimedia projects aid refugee populations. Following that, we have
>>>>>
>>>> an
>>>>
>>>>> entire page on climate change and some of its effects, similarly
>>>>>
>>>> written
>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> a style that is not befitting the movement: "In 2015, [Wikimedian
>>>>>
>>>> Andreas
>>>
>>>> Weith] photographed starving polar bears in the Arctic. As the ice
>>>>> declines, so does their ability to find food. “It’s heartbreaking,” he
>>>>> says." After all that, we finally have some pages on interesting
>>>>>
>>>> statistics
>>>>
>>>>> about Wikimedia, mixed in with some general odd facts about the world,
>>>>> followed by a call to donate. There are also letters from the ED and
>>>>> founder linked.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, this could be a mix of coincidence and bad stylistic choices, and
>>>>>
>>>> not
>>>
>>>> politically motivated at all, but it is getting increasingly hard to
>>>>>
>>>> assume
>>>>
>>>>> good faith on this, especially with the blog post a month ago
>>>>>
>>>> specifically
>>>>
>>>>> calling for a change in refugee policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using Wikimedia projects to push politics is not okay. If the WMF does
>>>>>
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>> accept this, I suspect many projects will simply block CentralNotices,
>>>>> avoid associating with WMF statements, and quite possibly fork/leave.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a serious problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Yair Rand
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://annual.wikimedia.org/2016/?pk_campaign=
>>>>> WikiBanners&pk_kwd=AR2016_dsk_short
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