Pine, Weren't you the person who pushed for months consult and interview
and design when I wanted to make mediawiki colors 5% brighter? How come
deciding on future of Wikimedia movement is too expensive?

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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:36 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Robert,
>
> Budget control is not just accounting.  When a process that employs a lot
> of staff and contractor time was planned to take some period of time and is
> then extended, then yes, that is a reason to ask about control of costs.
> Anna alludes to one method of budget control – "We have plenty of measures
> in place to monitor costs (e.g., we don't need to control them because they
> are not out of control, we are within our budget)." – which sounds like
> that old-fashioned method in which you assign a sum of money to an activity
> and stop that activity when it is finished or when the money runs out,
> whichever happens first.  This would not now be best practice, but perhaps
> it is unfair to place too much weight on a passing comment.
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Robert Fernandez <wikigamal...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > What kind of answer are you expecting here?  Do you have any reason to
> > believe that the WMF is not acting within its normal fiscally responsible
> > procedures in the particular case of the movement strategy process?  What
> > measures to control costs do you believe they are or are not taking in
> > regards to the strategy process?  Why is "the regular accounting stuff we
> > do all the time with millions of dollars of donor money every year" not a
> > specific enough answer?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > We have plenty of measures in place to monitor costs (e.g., we don't
> > need
> > > > to control them because they are not out of control, we are within
> our
> > > > budget). Also, describing financial metrics at any lower level of
> > detail
> > > > would be a waste of the strategy budget since we are within it.
> > >
> > > I disagree with that assessment. Simply because expenses are within
> > > budget don't mean that all expenses which were charged to the budget
> > > are reasonable and accurate, and I am disappointed to hear that WMF's
> > > standards for its finances are so lax. This convinces me all the more
> > > that my original request is important for WMF to answer: please discuss
> > > what measures are being taken to control costs in the strategy process.
> > > The level of detail that I now think WMF should provide is much higher
> > > than the level of detail with which I previously would have been
> > satisfied.
> > > My level of concern here is high enough that I am asking the WMF
> > > Audit Committee chair, Kelly, to comment on this situation. Something
> > seems
> > > very wrong here, and I am concerned about WMF's financial integrity.
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