Pine, Weren't you the person who pushed for months consult and interview and design when I wanted to make mediawiki colors 5% brighter? How come deciding on future of Wikimedia movement is too expensive?
Best On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:36 AM Rogol Domedonfors <[email protected]> wrote: > Robert, > > Budget control is not just accounting. When a process that employs a lot > of staff and contractor time was planned to take some period of time and is > then extended, then yes, that is a reason to ask about control of costs. > Anna alludes to one method of budget control – "We have plenty of measures > in place to monitor costs (e.g., we don't need to control them because they > are not out of control, we are within our budget)." – which sounds like > that old-fashioned method in which you assign a sum of money to an activity > and stop that activity when it is finished or when the money runs out, > whichever happens first. This would not now be best practice, but perhaps > it is unfair to place too much weight on a passing comment. > > "Rogol" > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Robert Fernandez <[email protected] > > > wrote: > > > What kind of answer are you expecting here? Do you have any reason to > > believe that the WMF is not acting within its normal fiscally responsible > > procedures in the particular case of the movement strategy process? What > > measures to control costs do you believe they are or are not taking in > > regards to the strategy process? Why is "the regular accounting stuff we > > do all the time with millions of dollars of donor money every year" not a > > specific enough answer? > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We have plenty of measures in place to monitor costs (e.g., we don't > > need > > > > to control them because they are not out of control, we are within > our > > > > budget). Also, describing financial metrics at any lower level of > > detail > > > > would be a waste of the strategy budget since we are within it. > > > > > > I disagree with that assessment. Simply because expenses are within > > > budget don't mean that all expenses which were charged to the budget > > > are reasonable and accurate, and I am disappointed to hear that WMF's > > > standards for its finances are so lax. This convinces me all the more > > > that my original request is important for WMF to answer: please discuss > > > what measures are being taken to control costs in the strategy process. > > > The level of detail that I now think WMF should provide is much higher > > > than the level of detail with which I previously would have been > > satisfied. > > > My level of concern here is high enough that I am asking the WMF > > > Audit Committee chair, Kelly, to comment on this situation. Something > > seems > > > very wrong here, and I am concerned about WMF's financial integrity. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
