Hello Gerard, AFAIK officially the PALOPs (Portuguese speaking African countries) use European Portuguese. I'm quite used to reading news articles, laws, and books from all those countries, and apart some local vocabulary, my impression is that it's basically European Portuguese indeed. And at the time we had Wikipedia Zero in Angola, one of the things that newbies & IPs from there used to do was "correcting" Brazilian Portuguese to European Portuguese in the articles.
They also speak creoule in many of those countries, but it doesn't count as "Portuguese". I've no idea about the state of the local languages there, as we hardly have any regular editors from those countries (I can only think about 3, from Angola, at this point - one of them a sysop). But it certainly is something that could develop, once a community is established. All the best, Paulo 2018-07-30 8:01 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: > Hoi, > How about Portuguese from Africa? > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 27 July 2018 at 16:41, Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hello Jane, > > > > Yes, maybe I have been lucky for having to deal with a Wikipedia that, > > despite having its fair share of problems, actually has not that kind of > > strife. We have 2 major linguistic varieties there (different to the > point > > that stuff in European Portuguese is often subtitled in Brazil), and I > > can't remember the last time we had any problem related to that. We used > to > > have some episodic problems, but since we passed a rule around 2011 > > declaring that articles directly related to a geographic region should > use > > the variety spoken in that geographic region, it ceased to be a problem. > > Language/variety diversity is often seen there as a source of richness > and > > knowledge, and not as some kind of downside that people have to endure in > > order to participate. > > > > Some people of wiki.pt are also very active at the Mirandese and > Galician > > wikis, projects with which we often engage in close collaboration. > > > > I'm also quite active at Commons, where we use mostly English, but a bit > of > > everything as well (many categories are written using 2 different > > languages, for instance, and we often communicate in our native languages > > over there, often in the same thread). > > > > I wouldn't doubt that there are some people that despise languages > > different from the one they speak, but I don't believe it's anywhere > "split > > down the middle". At least that is not my experience, at all. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Paulo > > > > > > 2018-07-27 14:57 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <[email protected]>: > > > > > Well just speaking from my experience with the nlwiki community, there > is > > > often a tendency to e.g. delete Belgian versions of local folklore or > > > cuisine, or merge these into Dutch local folklore or cuisine articles. > I > > > think in general, you could say that most mono-lingualists are fairly > > > certain their country and by association, their language is the best, > and > > > any other speakers of their language should either conform or start > their > > > own wiki, never mind local grammar rules, etc. I am surprised you > haven't > > > come across this at all - consider yourself lucky! > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Jane, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that we are in fact > > > split down the middle into parties that believe > > > > "some languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing > > > > languages on the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- > and > > > > offline". > > > > > > > > I don't know why do you wrote this, as I never had this impression, > at > > > > all. We are split by languages since the Babel Tower was embargoed by > > > God, > > > > but I never, ever remember hearing someone saying or even hinting > that > > > > "some languages are better than others". > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > Paulo > > > > > > > > > > > > 2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some > > > > interesting > > > > > selection bias, but no the people there were not all brainwashed > into > > > > > forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians > > at > > > > > heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt > > > > whether > > > > > the WMF is trying to shove us all in a direction of their choosing. > > > > > > > > > > I think > > > > > that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe > > > "some > > > > > languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing > > > languages > > > > on > > > > > the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and > offline". > > > Then > > > > > there is a huge discrepancy in workflow for these people and the > > folks > > > > who > > > > > work in just one language and never think of language as a movement > > > topic > > > > > at all. Among this monolingual crowd (many of whom do not subscribe > > to > > > > any > > > > > mailing list or other communication outlets) are the overlapping > > groups > > > > > between the "field workers" and the "library workers". The field > > > workers > > > > > tend to operate more by a "drive-by" methodology, and the "library > > > > workers" > > > > > tend to operate more by a "step-by-step" methodology. I > respectfully > > > > submit > > > > > that we have all dabbled in all of these worlds and therefore we > all > > > have > > > > > enough common sense to shout "Whoa!" if something really really > wrong > > > > gets > > > > > proposed. But in the past I have felt quite strongly that something > > was > > > > > really really wrong, but it turned out it was just a factor of me > > being > > > > > unaware of workflow difficulties experienced by others. So e.g. > > > > personally > > > > > I was against the idea of "protected pages" but have come around to > > > > seeing > > > > > they are useful - even on Wikidata. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Anders Wennersten < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in > > the > > > > > > movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the > > > projects > > > > > are > > > > > > not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people > > > running > > > > > > worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of semi functionaries, not > the > > > hard > > > > > > core contributes. > > > > > > > > > > > > This could be a good thing and foster a new set of moment > leaders, > > > > fully > > > > > > in agreement with goals and strategy. It could also be seen as a > > > > > weakness, > > > > > > as we do not recognize the more "wild" (but creative)y culture in > > our > > > > > > communities and only have the "nice" and obedient culture being > > > > accepted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Facts > > > > > > > > > > > > The vision was really created in Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries > > > > > > > > > > > > The way forward was defined by Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries > > > > > > > > > > > > The set up of work groups was from the beginning set up to > include > > > > > (only) > > > > > > functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of > > > > > candidates > > > > > > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection > was > > > not > > > > > > done transparent as is the culture of the communities but by > "boss" > > > > > > selection (I only feel the movement is starting to resemble a big > > > > > company, > > > > > > not the vibrant communities) > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Den 2018-07-24 kl. 21:29, skrev Yaroslav Blanter: > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I do not know what really happened but if I listen to what has > > been > > > > said > > > > > >> here and earlier on similar occasions, my conclusion is that for > > the > > > > > >> Strategy Team we - volunteers who are working on the projects > but > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > >> associated with the chapters, do not show up at Wikimania, do > not > > > > attend > > > > > >> real-life tutorials organized by WMF - just do not exist. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If this is the case, this is a serious gap to be bridged. So > far I > > > > have > > > > > >> net > > > > > >> see even an acknowledgement of its existence. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Cheers > > > > > >> Yaroslav > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > > > > >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > > > > >> i/Wikimedia-l > > > > > >> New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > , > > > > > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > > > unsubscribe> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > > > > > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > > unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
