Hi Lodewijk - I don't think you're mis-translating; I think that there's just a different understanding of the terms between projects. Most other projects didn't get saddled with the extensions that used the actual term "hiding" that English Wikipedia had, so wouldn't have had a reason to use the more precise terminology that is used there.
It appears that when you are speaking of "hiding", you are referring to revision-deletion. From that perspective, revision-deletion or page deletion is used on English Wikipedia for almost all copyright violations. The enwiki policy is here: < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Revision_deletion#Criteria_for_redaction> Risker/Anne On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 13:20, effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for those questions. > > Just as clarification, I'm talking about hiding revisions with the effect > that the revisions are greyed out in the history, but that admins can still > see their content. But I realize that oversight policies (the effect of > oversight is stronger) may be more prominent, and that perhaps the > ecosystem of different options should be considered in such a question :) . > > Thanks Anne for clarifying terminology - I am mostly aware with the > terminology we use in Dutch, so may mistranslate some things. > > Lodewijk > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 10:13 AM Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think one of the issues here is that we are not all using the same >> terminology. >> >> "Hiding", on English Wikipedia, is generally reserved for some weird >> extensions that had to have special features built in because >> revision-deletion, deletion, and suppression did not work with them. I >> think all of those extensions are now disabled on English Wikipedia. >> >> "Revision-deletion" (which has the effect of removing a revision from the >> view of the reading public and users who are not administrators or >> equivalent) or complete page deletion is used for most copyright violations >> on English Wikipedia. Copyright violations should not be publicly >> available, since it does not meet even the most basic requirements of edits >> to the project; I have a hard time seeing why any project would leave them >> in the page history, since that is the equivalent of leaving them in the >> project. >> >> "Suppression" is an even higher-level form of revision-deletion that >> removes the revision from the view of everyone except oversighters. It >> replaced the old "oversight" extension in 2009, and it is my understanding >> that all of the revisions that were historically removed using the >> oversight tool have now been returned to page history and suppressed. >> (There are some exceptions.) Suppression is used on English Wikipedia for >> most personal information, which can include anything listed in the WMF >> privacy policy. >> >> There are variations in the use of the deletion/suppression tools: for >> example, since 2009 we have been able to either "delete" or "suppress" >> usernames and edit summaries that are highly inappropriate. The ability to >> "suppress" usernames is sometimes used when someone edits while logged out, >> not realizing their IP address will appear in the history. >> >> I suspect that English Wikipedia has lower thresholds for both >> revision-deletion and suppression because it has historically been the >> project that is most abused, sometimes in ways that I'd be hesitant to >> publicly describe. >> >> >> Risker/Anne >> (English Wikipedia oversighter) >> >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 12:29, effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> This is one of these things that seems particularly hard to find, so I'd >>> like to pick your collective brains on this: >>> >>> What are the various policies across our little universe on using the >>> 'hide >>> version' functionality to hide historical versions of articles? I would >>> especially appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit on how it's used in >>> practice with regards to privacy violations (what is the threshold of >>> private information that would justify hiding versions) and copyright >>> violations (when do you actually hide the versions, rather than just >>> remove >>> it from the current version and leave it in the history). >>> >>> Are there any global policies on this? I think not, but always better to >>> double check :). >>> >>> Best, >>> Lodewijk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
