But it won’t be. Wikipedia does a fine job of documenting a great deal of news: in an encyclopedic fashion.
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:48 AM Jennifer Pryor-Summers < jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Strainu, > > Simply leaving the world of news to others is not really an option for the > Foundation. Recall that its vision is that > > > By 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the > ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be able > to join us. > > It can't achieve that by abandoning news. > > JPS > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 6:29 PM Strainu <strain...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > În mar., 16 apr. 2019 la 12:38, Dan Garry (Deskana) <djgw...@gmail.com> > a > > scris: > > > > > > Splitting off the Wikinews discussion from the branding discussion... > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 07:52, Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > > > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Compared to Wikitribune it is! But more importantly, if Wikinews is > > not > > > > thriving, then why not? Does it lack resources? What could or > should > > the > > > > WMF do to revive it? > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, nothing. Wikinews was a nice idea, but it didn't work > out, > > > and I don't think the Wikimedia Foundation investing resources into > > trying > > > to bring it back to life is really worth it. In fact, I think the > > Wikimedia > > > Foundation isn't the right group to try to breathe new life into the > > > project anyway—we, as a volunteer community, could invest our time in > > > bringing new content into it. That doesn't happen though. Why is that? > > For > > > me, I'm voting with my actions rather than my words—it's because it > just > > > isn't important enough compared to other things. It's okay to think > that. > > > > I personally believe the law of the hammer [1] had a very significant > > contribution to the launch of Wikinews (as well as Wikiversity, > > Wikispecies and Wiktionary): "we have a wiki, what else can we use it > > for?" Stated differently ("we have a mission and an idea aligned with > > that mission, what kind of wiki would we need for that?") the outcome > > might have been radically different. Some projects might have never > > happened, others might have been years ago where they are now and > > again others might have happened later (e.g. a wiki does not seem a > > great fit for University courses, but Wikiversity might have happened > > anyway as part of the OpenAccess movement. Or not). > > > > It's a bit late to change history, but it's not too late to admit some > > of the projects are a failure in the current form and start again - or > > just drop them. As somebody else in the conversion put it "we must > > have ways to try and fail fast". > > > > Strainu > > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_instrument > > > > > > > > Also, I'd prefer to see the Wikimedia Foundation trying to do fewer > > things > > > but do them better rather than taking more on; I think the annual plan > > > reflects that it is trying to do so. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of the money spent on rebranding would > > > > be better spent on the projects that are not doing so well as the > big > > > > Wikipedias -- or perhaps the WMF should cut its losses and close them > > down, > > > > on the principle of reinforcing success instead. > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that significantly less money is being spent on this > rebranding > > > effort than people might think. A short engagement with an external > > > consultant, and some staff time to think about it and publish some > pages > > to > > > solicit comment, is a relatively small investment compared to what it > > might > > > take to bootstrap improvements to breathe life into a mostly dead > > project. > > > I don't think it's really helpful to guess about the cost of things... > > yes, > > > I broke my own rule right at the start of this paragraph. ;-) > > > > > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Philippe Beaudette phili...@beaudette.me _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>