> > > Also, I believe that the > near-miracle of English Wikipedia should be tended with great care, and > that the scars from this incident will be with us for a long time. > > Pine > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>
I think there's a kernel here of something really important. An argument can be made (and has been, I'm sure) that the English Wikipedia is a modern Wonder of the World. It's a towering achievement of technology and humanity. It's humanity means that, like all of our towering achievements, it can't escape our flaws. The world is full of toxic people. Released from the risk of being iced out of society or punched in the face, they let that toxicity reign on the Internet and all of its spaces - including Wikipedia. The idea that the WMF or the Wikipedia community is going to solve this problem is earnest and well-meaning but foolish. Yet Wikipedia was brought into being despite the toxicity, and has survived and thrived all this time alongside the struggles of human interaction. So maybe what we really need is for the WMF to be hands off and let the forces that created this "miracle" keep doing their work, and for the community of the English Wikipedia to keep struggling but with the practical realization that success means just keeping temps below a rolling boil. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
