Hi Lukas, I appreciate you opening up on this. I have a hard time following the line of argument. I can appreciate that it can be stressful to see someone generalize opposition to this extent, and I dont think it is helpful to the conversation, because it basically rejects all solutions out of hand. I would have contributed that myself, if others didn't beat me to the punch. However, that is more due to the content of the opinion, than to how it's being phrased. I don't see how a different phrasing would have reduced that stress significantly, other than by packaging it with various phrases that express appreciation that was not meant.
I would love us to be more gentle, but at the same time it is also important to recognize diversity in character, expression and opinion. If we want to take a universal code of conduct seriously, we also need to take responsibility in restraining ourselves in 'calling the cops' each time someone tiptoes across the line. I would encourage you to apply the approach expressed in various ancient texts: if someone crosses the line, first approach them privately to correct them. If that does not work, include someone else in this conversation, and if all else fails, bring it up publicly (or in this case: bring it to the admins). The fact that it is possible to place someone on moderation, does not mean it is the most appropriate solution. But that's just my thoughts. Lodewijk On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:30 AM Lukas Mezger <lukas.mez...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > Hello, > > As one of the list subscribers who contacted the list moderators about the > messages in question, please let me second the sentiment that this list > should welcome discourse that is honest and frank while remaining > constructive and civil. Being subscribed to this list can be stressful for > some of us at times, so please keep that in mind when contributing. > Thank you, and kind regards, > > Lukas > > > -- > > Dr. Lukas Mezger > Vorsitzender des Präsidiums / chair of the Supervisory Board > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > Tel. (030) 219 158 260 – (0151) 268 63 931 > http://wikimedia.de > > Bleiben Sie auf dem neuesten Stand! Aktuelle Nachrichten und spannende > Geschichten rund um Wikimedia, Wikipedia und Freies Wissen im Newsletter: > Zur > Anmeldung <https://www.wikimedia.de/newsletter/>. > > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen > Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! > http://spenden.wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter > der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für > Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207 > > Am Do., 10. Sept. 2020 um 18:19 Uhr schrieb Peter Southwood < > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net>: > > > Is the objection to the words he used or to the way he used them? > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > Behalf > > Of Asaf Bartov > > Sent: 09 September 2020 21:57 > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice > > > > Dear Wikimedians, > > > > List subscriber Dan Szymborski has been placed under moderation, due to > > posts with unacceptable language. > > > > I remind everyone that criticism is appropriate and welcome on this list, > > so long as it remains civil and respectful of the people involved. > > > > Asaf (volunteer capacity) > > on behalf of Wikimedia-l list moderators > > -- > > Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
