You read my mind... P -----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gnangarra Sent: 10 September 2020 13:50 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice
one measure of good judgement would those decline the opportunity to be a list administrator :D On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 19:41, Peter Southwood <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Good judgement is often such a subjective thing, Everyone thinks they have > it. A bit like the Dunning-Kruger effect. > Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf > Of Asaf Bartov > Sent: 10 September 2020 12:55 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice > > I would say first and foremost, good judgment. As measured by the person's > track record on-wiki and on this list. > > Preferring to err on the side of caution, people under community sanctions, > or who have themselves been moderated for on-list misconduct, need not > apply. > > A. > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, 12:58 Peter Southwood <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> > wrote: > > > Asaf, > > What are the criteria for eligibility as moderator for this list? > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > Behalf > > Of Asaf Bartov > > Sent: 10 September 2020 11:07 > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice > > > > Indeed, there is a potential conflict of interest here. This is why I > > strongly tend to leniency, *especially* when unacceptable discourse > > coincides with criticism of the Foundation. In this case, we received > > requests from two list subscribers to moderate Dan. We did so, while > > underscoring that it was *not* for criticizing the Foundation. > > > > I think I have something of a track record of supporting open debate and > of > > encouraging and engaging with criticism of the Foundation. I think there > > is indeed plenty to criticize; the Foundation is far from flawless. > > > > But people don't have to endure coarse language and vitriol at the same > > time. By all means, express disappointment, lack of confidence, > suspicion, > > whatever, but do it in a civil manner. Dan can continue to do as well, > of > > course. I have already let one message of this through moderation. > > > > All that said, it would of course have been better if we had a couple of > > list-admins more, without ties to the Foundation, so perhaps it is time > to > > recruit them. Is anyone interested? > > > > A. > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:56 AM Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Erm, wait. He said what, "fart"? > > > > > > It's not a particularly good look for a WMF employee to be moderating > > > someone critiquing the WMF, especially when, while their statement may > > have > > > been strongly worded, it used pretty mild language. This should either > be > > > undone, or at least decided upon by someone who doesn't work for WMF. > > > That's a substantial conflict of interest. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Wikimedians, > > > > > > > > List subscriber Dan Szymborski has been placed under moderation, due > to > > > > posts with unacceptable language. > > > > > > > > I remind everyone that criticism is appropriate and welcome on this > > list, > > > > so long as it remains civil and respectful of the people involved. > > > > > > > > Asaf (volunteer capacity) > > > > on behalf of Wikimedia-l list moderators > > > > -- > > > > Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > -- > > Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- GN. *Power of Diverse Collaboration* *Sharing knowledge brings people together* Wikimania Bangkok 2021 August hosted by ESEAP Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page My print shop: https://www.redbubble.com/people/Gnangarra/shop?asc=u _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
