>From what I've read in the thread above I agree with Yair, and would add
that this feels like a big power grab against the community.

I believe that Wikimedia Foundation must reject these proposed bylaws
changes to preserve our open, democratic nature, and hold elections to fill
all seats.

-- brion
former CTO
current software architect

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 5:12 PM Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello.  With my list-moderator hat, I am relaying two messages from Jimmy
> Wales, sent from an address he apparently hadn't used before,  that were
> unintentionally caught by the mailing list filters and could not be let
> through.  I paste them below.
>
>    Asaf
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@fandom.com>
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 05:12:55 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation
> Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric
> On 10/7/20 6:32 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
>
> The replacement of an explicit voting process with an unspecified process +
> schedule seems unnecessarily vague.
>
> I agree that the vagueness is not good.  To make sure everyone is aware:
> there has been no discussion and I'm unaware of anyone
> on the board who would be in favor of *removing* elections.  I think the
> current wording here is awkward and may have been designed
> to not be super prescriptive about how exactly we might move to a process
> with a community-driven and community-approved "rubric"
> combined with elections.  To remedy this defect seems quite easy - a future
> revision should explicitly include as much detail as is possible,
> and certainly should mandate elections.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@fandom.com>
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 05:13:08 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation
> Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric
> On 10/7/20 10:03 PM, Yair Rand wrote:
>
> (Another minor point: The change from the description of the appointed
> seats from "non-community-selected, non-chapter-selected" to
> "non-community-sourced" seems to imply that the Board is prohibited from
> filling these seats with any community members. Previously, there have been
> community members in these seats.)
>
> I think this is a very good "catch".  I'm sure that wasn't the intention of
> the rewording.  I didn't
> write it and of course I can't speak for anyone else.  I can say that there
> has been no discussion
> at the board level of anyone suggesting that we should not be able to
> select community members
> for these seats.
>
> Indeed, my personal view is that as we pursue board expansion, it is
> crucial that we try as hard as
> we can find to fill the appointed seats with as many deeply experienced
> community members (who
> have other relevant skills) as we possibly can.
>
> In terms of this proposal, I think that a minor change to clarify this
> minor point is a great idea!
>
> I think the ambiguity probably arose with the change from "selected" to
> "sourced" - a change that, itself,
> deserves great scrutiny.
>
> ===============
>
> (end of Jimmy's two messages.  Future posts from Jimmy's new address should
> go through.)
>
>    Asaf
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