I second that. It always amazed me that the community that has built the entire site does not have the majority in deciding the future of the site, and this seems to make it even less so.
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:03 PM Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > From what I've read in the thread above I agree with Yair, and would add > that this feels like a big power grab against the community. > > I believe that Wikimedia Foundation must reject these proposed bylaws > changes to preserve our open, democratic nature, and hold elections to fill > all seats. > > -- brion > former CTO > current software architect > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 5:12 PM Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello. With my list-moderator hat, I am relaying two messages from Jimmy >> Wales, sent from an address he apparently hadn't used before, that were >> unintentionally caught by the mailing list filters and could not be let >> through. I paste them below. >> >> Asaf >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@fandom.com> >> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 05:12:55 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation >> Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric >> On 10/7/20 6:32 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: >> >> The replacement of an explicit voting process with an unspecified process >> + >> schedule seems unnecessarily vague. >> >> I agree that the vagueness is not good. To make sure everyone is aware: >> there has been no discussion and I'm unaware of anyone >> on the board who would be in favor of *removing* elections. I think the >> current wording here is awkward and may have been designed >> to not be super prescriptive about how exactly we might move to a process >> with a community-driven and community-approved "rubric" >> combined with elections. To remedy this defect seems quite easy - a >> future >> revision should explicitly include as much detail as is possible, >> and certainly should mandate elections. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@fandom.com> >> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 05:13:08 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation >> Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric >> On 10/7/20 10:03 PM, Yair Rand wrote: >> >> (Another minor point: The change from the description of the appointed >> seats from "non-community-selected, non-chapter-selected" to >> "non-community-sourced" seems to imply that the Board is prohibited from >> filling these seats with any community members. Previously, there have >> been >> community members in these seats.) >> >> I think this is a very good "catch". I'm sure that wasn't the intention >> of >> the rewording. I didn't >> write it and of course I can't speak for anyone else. I can say that >> there >> has been no discussion >> at the board level of anyone suggesting that we should not be able to >> select community members >> for these seats. >> >> Indeed, my personal view is that as we pursue board expansion, it is >> crucial that we try as hard as >> we can find to fill the appointed seats with as many deeply experienced >> community members (who >> have other relevant skills) as we possibly can. >> >> In terms of this proposal, I think that a minor change to clarify this >> minor point is a great idea! >> >> I think the ambiguity probably arose with the change from "selected" to >> "sourced" - a change that, itself, >> deserves great scrutiny. >> >> =============== >> >> (end of Jimmy's two messages. Future posts from Jimmy's new address >> should >> go through.) >> >> Asaf >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >
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