Dear all, For those interested, we are now testing a wikimedia chat channel for movement strategy and see how well it will be received and utilized. You can join us at: https://chat.wmcloud.org/wikimedia/channels/movement-strategy
Thank you for your kind attention! Kaarel On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 1:54 PM Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for highlighting the issues of access from different countries. > > Being in the UK, I would never have used Telegram apart from Wikimedia > demands, as hardly anyone uses it here. Popularity, accessibility, > reliability, are highly variable for the different channel > technologies we use. These are also extremely good reasons not to jump > to one method, but to ensure our larger events support multiple > channels including our oldest or old fashioned like IRC and email. > Running editathons with a live dashboard or mash-up of IRC, a twitter > hashtag or FB messenger has worked reasonably well to engage remote > participants and to supplement videoconferencing. It's also essential > to encourage folks planning to participate to *test* their access, > preferably by supporting a dry-run session. One thing we can count on > is webcams and mics to fail, wifi access to become spotty, or for > websites to crash and that's when old methods suddenly look like good > options. > > I guess we can agree a solid recommendation is to aim to support two > or three channels when the group gets above 4 or 5 participants, even > if some, like IRC, are considered back-ups. > > P.S. as a community we should seek to keep testing out open-source > alternates, folx get comfortable with what they know works on their > machines but most of us are happy to support experimenting with > alternatives, it does not hurt to keep on suggesting them. > > Fae > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 11:22, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I want to add a funny story. When I used to live in Iran, I couldn't > join any of Wikimedia telegram groups (including three or four wikimedia > hackathons when I was participating in them) because my phone number had > country code of Iran (duh) and Telegram banned users being able to join > large groups for the whole country of Iran on the grounds that lots of > spammers are from Iran which is true. I don't know if it's still the case > or not but this is one of privileges people have and might not notice it > (not to mention the racist behavior of Telegram). > > > > If I can shamelessly promote my project, you can use Wikimedia Chat > instead: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chat ( > https://diff.wikimedia.org/2020/09/18/introducing-wikimedia-chat/) > > > > Best > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 12:09 PM Željko Blaće <zbl...@mi2.hr> wrote: > >> > >> On 10/22/20, Kaarel Vaidla <kvai...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> > How to participate > >> ... > >> > * Join our Telegram group [2]. > >> > >> It would be amazing if we could embody the values of movement strategy > >> whenever we can. Using only Telegram group as recommendation is NOT*. > >> > >> In general please consider not to endorse commercial and closed source > >> software as primary communication channel. It is also bad in terms of > >> usability and intensity/velocity of exchanges in conditions and > >> context of massive cross-zone/cross-cultural event organizing. Likely > >> to be a cute looking mess and info bottleneck. I already have multiple > >> Wikimedia Telegram groups that hard to follow and take more personal > >> energy then they should at these times of pandemic. Please re-consider > >> this! > >> > >> My arguments are presented on the Telegram group itself and your meta > >> page > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Transition/Global_Conversations#Use_of_Telegram_for_working_official_communication_for_events_-_pls_NO > >> > >> > >> In Solidarity and with Care > >> ~Zblace > >> > >> *As a queer person without western privileges I can recommend its > >> limited use due to phone number privacy and I do also use it myself > >> but it should be neither only nor first option. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: Personal and confidential, > please do not circulate or re-quote. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > -- > > Amir (he/him) > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Kaarel Vaidla (he/him) Movement Strategy <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/2030> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
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