On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 6:16 PM Maggie Dennis <mden...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Community “capture” is a real and present threat. For years, the movement
> has been widely aware of challenges in the Croatian Wikipedia, with
> documentation going back nearly a decade. The Foundation recently set up a
> disinformation team, which is still finding its footing and assessing the
> problem, but which began by contracting an external researcher to review
> that project and the challenges and help us understand potential causes and
> solutions for such situations.[4]
>

Dear Maggie - thank you for writing this, but I fear it can be wrongly
interpreted *(already did to a few people who got in touch) as it was
worded in a non/explicit way. I would like to point that:

#1 both WMF and Wikimedians were aware of issues with HR Wikipedia and
nothing has been done for a decade, aside from handful last year to remove
4 of right-wing admins*(Wiktionary and Wikisource, are still with rightwing
admin control)...
WMF actions are sadly post-festum and with a very limited scope.

#2 HR was not abducted by some well organized and resourced entity, but by
handful of extreme rightwingers (one unmerried couple + their closest
neo-nazi friend and 3 submissive mediocrats...including 40+ proven but
likely 60+ sock puppets) with silent and passive conservative 'center'
majority of woters.

#3 an external researcher contractor was not really reviewing the full
project, but mainly content *(very little on social dynamics and
capacities) and in doing so failed to understand the challenges of
under-resourced and asocial 'community'... This is why solutions suggested
in findings included impossible language and project merges, rather than
anything that would enable self-governance, expansion of the pool of
contributors and sustainable and ambitious work *(like in Serbia for
example).

Hope with these distinctions it is more obvious the difference between the
two and if /how/when/where the learning is applicable or not...

Thank you for your professional work.

Best Z. Blace
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